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Status of F-35 – Senate Armed Services Committee Statement [pdf]

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Re: Status of F-35 – Senate Armed Services Committee Statement [pdf]

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F-35 looks like it's the most ambitious software project ever attempted. - Lots of system integration for the final product from multiple suppliers (usually nightmare). - Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS) is critical for the maintainability and it's millions of lines of code. Failure rate of large projects like this is typically 40-60% and ALIS looks like it's more advanced than most bean counting systems…

one last hurrah at attempting to keeping human pilots relevant

Re: Status of F-35 – Senate Armed Services Committee Statement [pdf]

#32

For the love of god, it's time to admit that the F-22 wasn't too expensive, and crawl back to it.

F-22 is an apex predator, F-35 is a multirole fighter/bomber. two different planes. I think you mean going back to building specific planes for specific thing rather than jack off all trades plane

Re: Status of F-35 – Senate Armed Services Committee Statement [pdf]

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The F-35 is becoming the definitive example of how scope creep destroys a project. A system designed to do everything for everyone. When it should be designed to do one thing better than everything else. Divide the F-35 into three different attack aircraft. Single engine CAS with STOVL capability. Big/fast/stealthy twin engine bomber. Carrier based attack drone. All three would likely fulfill their roles better for l…

It is a respunding success according to the amount of porking it generated. Is the f-22 exported?

Edit: to clarify: they're not exporting the good one which could change an actual war.

Re: Status of F-35 – Senate Armed Services Committee Statement [pdf]

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When viewing the F-35 through the lens of a defense project, it looks silly. You must also realize that this is also an indirect federal jobs program. When the F-35 would replace other aircraft and their roles, the bases, parts suppliers, and ...sub contractors those people had to be kept employed. No member of congress wanted to say don't add that or build that if it would hurt their district. So much backroom dealing goes on with projects like these its embarrassing.

Re: Status of F-35 – Senate Armed Services Committee Statement [pdf]

#35

For the love of god, it's time to admit that the F-22 wasn't too expensive, and crawl back to it.

F-22 is an apex predator, F-35 is a multirole fighter/bomber. two different planes. I think you mean going back to building specific planes for specific thing rather than jack off all trades plane

The F-35 is a 1.5 Trillion black hole; a stark lesson on the sunk cost fallacy. The F-22 exists, and works. We already have bombers, and frankly it seems less useful to put humans rather than robots in harm's way for a bombing run.

Re: Status of F-35 – Senate Armed Services Committee Statement [pdf]

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post #8

The F-35 is becoming the definitive example of how scope creep destroys a project. A system designed to do everything for everyone. When it should be designed to do one thing better than everything else. Divide the F-35 into three different attack aircraft. Single engine CAS with STOVL capability. Big/fast/stealthy twin engine bomber. Carrier based attack drone. All three would likely fulfill their roles better for l…

RAND published a writeup of joint acquisition programs recently: http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monographs/MG1200/...

Spoiler: they're a bad idea.

Re: Status of F-35 – Senate Armed Services Committee Statement [pdf]

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post #8

The F-35 is becoming the definitive example of how scope creep destroys a project. A system designed to do everything for everyone. When it should be designed to do one thing better than everything else. Divide the F-35 into three different attack aircraft. Single engine CAS with STOVL capability. Big/fast/stealthy twin engine bomber. Carrier based attack drone. All three would likely fulfill their roles better for l…

It is also worth considering that the reason given for merging three aircrafts into one was to save money. I know the F-35 has a lot of defenders, but even they have to admit it is unlikely that the F-35 will ever be seen as a cost saving measure.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those practices might be appropriate for a combat plane.

So basically F35 is a plane embedded in a software. Why not have embedded computers in a decent plane? lol.

> Why not have embedded computers in a decent plane?

Oddly enough, Fairchild Aircraft was formed when Mr Fairchild decided to build a 'decent plane' to carry-around his aerial cameras...

Back to the F-35 it is interesting to contrast how Dassault in France has been slowly expanding the mission scope of its Rafale by adding additional software, without affecting the actual flight-control systems. After 12 years of gradual updates they're also starting to update hardware, such as converting to an SDR instead of traditional tuned radio.

Re: Status of F-35 – Senate Armed Services Committee Statement [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

F-22 is an apex predator, F-35 is a multirole fighter/bomber. two different planes. I think you mean going back to building specific planes for specific thing rather than jack off all trades plane

The F-35 is a 1.5 Trillion black hole; a stark lesson on the sunk cost fallacy. The F-22 exists, and works. We already have bombers, and frankly it seems less useful to put humans rather than robots in harm's way for a bombing run.

and what robot is going to do this bombing run you speak of? has it been built yet?

Re: Status of F-35 – Senate Armed Services Committee Statement [pdf]

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post #8

The F-35 is becoming the definitive example of how scope creep destroys a project. A system designed to do everything for everyone. When it should be designed to do one thing better than everything else. Divide the F-35 into three different attack aircraft. Single engine CAS with STOVL capability. Big/fast/stealthy twin engine bomber. Carrier based attack drone. All three would likely fulfill their roles better for l…

It is a respunding success according to the amount of porking it generated. Is the f-22 exported? Edit: to clarify: they're not exporting the good one which could change an actual war.

No exports of the F-22. It's apparently got some technology they're not willing to transfer, even to allies.
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