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The Feed Is Dying

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Re: The Feed Is Dying

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What other ways are there to present content to users if it's not through a feed?

Topic hierarchy involving either vote based sorting, temporal sorting, or personal relevance sorting. e.g. forum -> subforum -> thread; HN's comment system.

You can extend it to allow multiple topic parents via a tagging system, but this usually seems to complicate things.

facebook has wall -> post -> comments, but could add richer hierarchy above post

Re: The Feed Is Dying

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On the web version go Settings -> Account. Under the "Content" section uncheck "show me the best tweets first". iOS app has a similar setting, and it stays synced with whatever is set there so however you disable it.

I don't know... I unchecked that a while back and I still get annoying "while you were gone..." curated shit. Maybe I have to log out/in or something?

While you were gone is different from the algorithmic feed. It's a short section you can easily scroll past to get to the main feed. The algorithmic feed re-sorts the whole thing.

Re: The Feed Is Dying

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I don't know... I unchecked that a while back and I still get annoying "while you were gone..." curated shit. Maybe I have to log out/in or something?

No that's just Twitter trying to jam bullshit down your throat.

You should unfollow the people who are posting bullshit. That's all stuff from people you chose to follow.

Re: The Feed Is Dying

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"Enter the curated feed" We could call it a "blog", and the people who curate the feeds could be called "bloggers".

I follow quite a number of people more for what they select than what they say. So we could call it Twitter, and the people who curate could be called "retweeters".

Re: The Feed Is Dying

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The algorithm is an idiot.

My social medium of choice is, despite my many and loud gripes about it, Google+. It's not even nearly awesome (none of the major options are), but, for a while at least, it offered two compelling features.

The first is Notifications. Action on your own posts, posts with which you've interacted, and (selected) people mentioning you, will show up in your Notifications list (which ought be a stream in its own right). This is, if you think about it, one of the highest possible signifiers of relevance: something you've already indicated an interest in in which others are interacting, often directly with you.

The other was Search. After a couple of years, even the vast wasteland of G+ had accumulated a catalog of interesting posts, and via Search those could be found. Search was always a bastard child, and it's considerably worse now than it had been for a long time, but given a keyword signifier, it would, sometimes, return relevant content.

I actually wrote a really embarassing mash note to G+ management -- Vic and the project's then product manager -- highlighting this.

The response of Google was, of course, to kill both features, or attempt to do so valiently.

The problem with the algorithm is that at best it can guess or assume intent. But it never fucking bothers to ask you directly, or to allow you to indicate your preferences.

I've likened this to a good salesperson. These exist, and I've on occasion, despite my anti-commercial tendencies, encountered and appreciated them. The good one will size you up as you enter a store, compose a good idea of what you're looking for, consider elements (say size or measurements for clothing), and match these with stock. Then they'll ask you what you're looking for. They'll return with a selection of items and, often, a few others. They'll read your responses, even subtle, on what's been offered and take a "no" as a "no".

That is the one feature that is missing from virtually all current electronic information interfaces. I wanted, an hour or so back, to tell Amazon to show me only books published matching a subject from 1990-1999. Actually, filtering by cover colour would also have been useful. No can do.

For media streams, the thing I most want to do is filter crap. Again, G+ offers no such capabilities. There are websites I never want to see (say, WSJ at HN), topics or people I don't care to hear about, etc. The best option I've got is to uncircle or block crap, which actually works quite well. But finer controls would be hugely useful.

Twitter's experiment seems to be headed the same way. And it's not going to work.

Because the algorithm is an idiot.

Re: The Feed Is Dying

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Not even close - at least not for consumers. See: @aol, @yahoo, @hotmail, @comcast, @gmail etc.... Enterprises usually own their servers, so I would grant that caveat, but even that is going away with cloud providers.

For $1000 and $30 a month, anybody in the world could hire someone to setup and maintain a personal email server. Of course being user owned, by definition users should be allowed to outsource their email service to large companies, and they do, because it's a lot cheaper that way. But an email server they own themselves, with their own rules, own display preferences, compatible with billions of other email accounts,…

Nobody is arguing that you can't set up your own system. You can build your own version of fb/twt etc... if you wanted.

The distinction is that 99.9% of consumers and an increasing number of organizations don't want to do it in house and would rather let someone else do it.

Again, it's not about capability, it's about what people actually are doing.

Re: The Feed Is Dying

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When users don't own their technology, they get jerked around by whoever does until they jump ship for greener pastures. You can claim the market will solve this (users will sell their time and speech to a higher bidder, now that Twitter's prices no longer seem competitive), but if people were empowered to have their computers do what they want, it never would have happened in the first place.

The market can't solve anything if the product is free. Users aren't voting with their wallet.

Twitter (and other dominant free products like Facebook) will behave the way our overlords want them to behave. Consumers have surrendered the free market. Capitalism is only played behind the scenes.

Re: The Feed Is Dying

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The algorithm is an idiot. My social medium of choice is, despite my many and loud gripes about it, Google+. It's not even nearly awesome (none of the major options are), but, for a while at least, it offered two compelling features. The first is Notifications. Action on your own posts, posts with which you've interacted, and (selected) people mentioning you, will show up in your Notifications list (which ought be a…

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Re: The Feed Is Dying

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It can't be replaced but it can be made easily mutable. For example, imagine a quick-switcher that flips the feed from algorithmic to time based with a single tap. That's a powerful feature and adapts twitter to different use-cases fast. I think the key here is to give users options instead of trying to shepard them into a particular direction, especially with their bipolar userbase (e.g. people use Twitter for vario…

But making the algorithmic feed the default, alone, is enough to kill the platform. For the mere fact of nudging, and human laziness. It will just make the shit rise to the top, instead of the hidden gems that make Twitter golden. Twitter has to be one of the most poorly run tech companies, outside of Yahoo. They changed their API token limits, and destroyed 3rd party clients. They bought TweetDeck and then utterly d…

At a guess, they want to be able to charge companies to reach the people that are following them on Twitter just like Facebook does and they can't easily do that with reverse-chronological.
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