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Review: Japanese Hologram Pop Star Hatsune Miku Tours North America

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Re: Review: Japanese Hologram Pop Star Hatsune Miku Tours North America

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Imagine once VR/AR become mainstream. You'd have real artists having simul-cencerts in ten stadiums (or in homes for the homebodies) competing against anime performers who don't get exhausted or get sick or who want to retire... So the farce of the "artist" can be all done with --just corporate manufactured music entertainment.

You make it sound like it's something other than utopian paradise. I will never interact with any of the artists I listen to so whether or not they are "real" makes no difference to me. Especially since a lot of artists have stage personas who aren't "real" either so it comes down to whether the part is played by a human actor or an animated one.

True but now it won't be an artist but personaes put together collectively using metrics and other marketing inputs. There will be no ruse. It'll be obvious and in son ways it's better than pretense.

And, as long as people get value out of that, I'm okay.

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The absence of Idoru[1] references is surprising. Almost as surprising as learning that book is 20 years old. I may need to re-read it. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idoru

I was just about to write that. Was there anything like take existing at that time or did he project the trends and adding a good dose of Japanese pop culture weirdness, completely on his own?

Idoru is also the first thing I thought of when I read the headline. It was written 20 years ago. Gibson has a proven record of being eerily prescient.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please see the discussion in the comments on Ars. If it wasn't sarcasm, what you said is simply misinformation.

Could you clarify, please?

The vast majority of popular Vocaloid music is created by the fans themselves, not "Japanese businessmen." In fact, the kneejerk reaction is completely backwards: regular human idols and pop stars are the fake, focus tested machinations of businessmen. Vocaloids are a pure representation of the feelings of regular people. The pop song on the radio was designed and marketed to appeal to a certain audience by people that probably hate what they're creating, acted out by a human puppet. The equivalent Vocaloid song was made by someone that really wanted to write a song about love or loneliness or saccharine positivity or whatever. Ordinary (but talented) people living their dreams through a collective consciousness.

From my perspective, it seems strange that anyone enjoyed the "real" thing in the first place.

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Imagine once VR/AR become mainstream. You'd have real artists having simul-cencerts in ten stadiums (or in homes for the homebodies) competing against anime performers who don't get exhausted or get sick or who want to retire... So the farce of the "artist" can be all done with --just corporate manufactured music entertainment.

Might work for some manufactured pop stars and the like, but I can't see that being a big thing. I can't start a mosh pit in my living room, and pulling out my lighter for that ballad just isn't going to have the same feeling. I can't go see a band like Jucifer[0] play music so loud that I can feel the music with every fiber of my being.

You're forgetting one very real thing, music is more than just an aural and visual experience. There's a very good reason people shell out hundreds on tickets, drive 6 hours, wait in line for another 3, buy $8 beers, and fight a crowd of sweaty, amped up folks to get to the very front.

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jucifer

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The absence of Idoru[1] references is surprising. Almost as surprising as learning that book is 20 years old. I may need to re-read it. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idoru

For anyone that likes Gibson; I hope you caught this earlier (2015) story too:

"I mine for 100-year-old jeans" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10284638

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It's TODAY in SF, there are still tickets available if you act fast.

I'm totally surprised. I had the chance to go in Tokyo but only because my friend could find in re-sale bid at 5x the original price. They got sold out here so fast.

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It's a little disappointing they didn't bring up the fact that Hatsune Miku's songs are created by the fans. Anyone who wants to make a song just buys the software makes a song and posts it to Youtube or NicoNicoDouga and if it takes off it becomes part of her hit list

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I can't help but thinking about singularity.. but regardless, I believe if done right this form of art can touch the most conservative and cynical.

I'm far from the most conservative and cynical, and this form of art lowers my opinion of people in general.

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you clarify, please?

The vast majority of popular Vocaloid music is created by the fans themselves, not "Japanese businessmen." In fact, the kneejerk reaction is completely backwards: regular human idols and pop stars are the fake, focus tested machinations of businessmen. Vocaloids are a pure representation of the feelings of regular people. The pop song on the radio was designed and marketed to appeal to a certain audience by people th…

Bull. These things are not created by a single person.

For a more western example Toy Story 3 might have been a moving story, but it's no single persons vision given form. Instead it's the passion from many distilled into it's most marketable form.

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