The A-10 Warthog May Be Kept Out of Retirement by Law
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The A-10 Warthog May Be Kept Out of Retirement by Law
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#2This is something congress really shouldn't be doing.
For example, how much of the scope ambition and scope creep for the F 35 came from congressional meddling?
Someone recognized for their expertise in infantry strategy and tactics should be placed in charge of close air support procurement, given a preliminary budget to try to meet and then be given free reign to figure out what they can get from that budget.
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#3This is something congress really shouldn't be doing. For example, how much of the scope ambition and scope creep for the F 35 came from congressional meddling? Someone recognized for their expertise in infantry strategy and tactics should be placed in charge of close air support procurement, given a preliminary budget to try to meet and then be given free reign to figure out what they can get from that budget.
>>This is something congress really shouldn't be doing.
Then who should? Should we simple give the military a Trillion Dollar a year blank check and say "go forth and spend it however you want"
the F35 is a terrible plane and should have been scraped a long time ago, the A10 is proven plane...
the Airforce has never liked the A10, it is not fast enough or shiney enough for them...
I think the better plan is to bring back the USAAF and let the army start doing close air support again with more than just Helicopters...
They are better at it anyway..
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#4This is something congress really shouldn't be doing. For example, how much of the scope ambition and scope creep for the F 35 came from congressional meddling? Someone recognized for their expertise in infantry strategy and tactics should be placed in charge of close air support procurement, given a preliminary budget to try to meet and then be given free reign to figure out what they can get from that budget.
>>This is something congress really shouldn't be doing. Then who should? Should we simple give the military a Trillion Dollar a year blank check and say "go forth and spend it however you want" the F35 is a terrible plane and should have been scraped a long time ago, the A10 is proven plane... the Airforce has never liked the A10, it is not fast enough or shiney enough for them... I think the better plan is to bring…
Almost. The discussion at the congressional level should be over what sort of capabilities the military needs and can be justified. So the pentagon can bring a mission and budget to congress and ask them to approve that mission and the budget for it. This is different quite than an unrestrained lump sum.
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#5Earlier quoted context omitted.
>>This is something congress really shouldn't be doing. Then who should? Should we simple give the military a Trillion Dollar a year blank check and say "go forth and spend it however you want" the F35 is a terrible plane and should have been scraped a long time ago, the A10 is proven plane... the Airforce has never liked the A10, it is not fast enough or shiney enough for them... I think the better plan is to bring…
Almost. The discussion at the congressional level should be over what sort of capabilities the military needs and can be justified. So the pentagon can bring a mission and budget to congress and ask them to approve that mission and the budget for it. This is different quite than an unrestrained lump sum.
Umm, that is exactly what they are going
They are bring forth the mission to decommission the A10, congress is saying no....
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#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
Almost. The discussion at the congressional level should be over what sort of capabilities the military needs and can be justified. So the pentagon can bring a mission and budget to congress and ask them to approve that mission and the budget for it. This is different quite than an unrestrained lump sum.
Umm, that is exactly what they are going They are bring forth the mission to decommission the A10, congress is saying no....
In my comment, a mission would be something like "close air support", not the level of maintenance to do on a specific set of aircraft.
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#7How is it that a bunch of elected people without much military knowledge "know" more about these things than the men/women in uniform, with decades of experience?
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Umm, that is exactly what they are going They are bring forth the mission to decommission the A10, congress is saying no....
In my comment, a mission would be something like "close air support", not the level of maintenance to do on a specific set of aircraft.
So it is arbitrary definition you are making
I fail to see how that is different than simply coming to congress with "We protect America now give us a trillion dollars of stolen money you pried from the citizens and do not dare ask us how we will spend it"
I think every damn screw the military buys should be heavily scrutinized by someone outside the military, maybe congress is not the right venue but the idea that the military should just be allowed to spend money however they see fit is moronic on a level I can not even comprehend
The military, above all other federal agencies, have proven they can not be trusted with the money they are given, they have simpley "lost" (literally unaccounted for) more money than most agencies have for their entire budget.
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#9This is something congress really shouldn't be doing. For example, how much of the scope ambition and scope creep for the F 35 came from congressional meddling? Someone recognized for their expertise in infantry strategy and tactics should be placed in charge of close air support procurement, given a preliminary budget to try to meet and then be given free reign to figure out what they can get from that budget.
Wouldn't that preliminary budget, issued by Congress, be considered meddling? Is it akin to software development managers with the sheerest excuses for domain expertise accepting whatever budget and mandate is handed down from managers with zero domain expertise, and then they set about browbeating anyone and everyone they can lay their hands on to meet the hazy objectives?
This direction of development sounds to me like the reverse of what would really meet the mission objectives when the problem space is so controversial/undefined: find out from the users/stakeholders/beneficiaries what non-negotiables they must have and will not give up without a huge fight, what they lack from the current solution, and what their annoyances-but-will-put-up-with-it issues are today, what evolutions they anticipate in several future timeframes, then with their buy-in build up implementation scenarios with accompanying budgets. But I'm just an outsider with no domain expertise, so all I have are questions. From what I hear as a civilian, armed forces procurement with these big stakes rarely take into account all but the most basic survival needs of the grunts on the front lines, and is more akin to enterprise software procurement than SaaS-with-a-credit-card procurement to fix a point need (CAS in this case, and I might even be wrong characterizing CAS as a well-defined point need).
Can someone with direct military procurement experience chime in and illuminate from their perspective what is going on for the civilians in this particular case?
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#10How is it that a bunch of elected people without much military knowledge "know" more about these things than the men/women in uniform, with decades of experience?
The Airforce does not want the A-10
The Army and Marines are begging to keep it
I trust the Army and Marines more than the fucking Airforce