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Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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> The most accurate title would be "Don't exercise in order to earn the right to eat junk food later". Which is the meager point they're actually making. Except that's not the only point the article makes. You might disagree with the title, but the article does attempt to back it up. Many paragraphs are dedicated to explaining why for many people, exercising might actually be harmful to their weight loss goals, due t…

> exercising might actually be harmful to their weight loss goals, due to how we tend to overestimate how many calories were burned The actual number of calories burned exercising is unaffected by our mental estimates. Thinking you earned the right to eat junk food is the problem, not exercise.

Exercise makes me ravenous, I'm certainly not the only person for which that is true. Swimming is the worst offender, IME. I can be vigilant, but even knowing that I didn't burn enough calories to counterbalance that meatball sub I want to get after my workout, doesn't help all that much in keeping me from actually buying it anyway.

This is similar to the problem of calories in = calories out. Dieting isn't a chemistry equation where you just need the numbers to balance it, it's psychology and in some cases physiology (leptin levels, etc), and that part of it is tricky.

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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I've found online reaction to this article quite interesting. Normally data and study minded folks bring out the "anecdotally, this doesn't seem true" responses, and people seem think the article is attacking exercise as a concept. It's not. It's saying that if a person's goal is to lose weight, then adjusting to a good diet is far more important than (a reasonable amount of) exercise. The article does not claim that…

I'm going to continue to posit that weight is a factor of genetics / epigenetics and / or body function first and foremost.

Why is it that some people, regardless of how much they eat and how little they exercise, never put on weight? That, to me, is the elephant in the room.

What is going on in these peoples bodies that is kept out of popular science with regard to weight loss? We know that thyroid hormone function affects weight and metabolism. In women reproductive hormones also affect weight, oestrogen is a hormone present in both males and females, so there's some crossover there. We know that adrenal function can affect weight. We know that insulin resistance can affect weight.

There has to be more to it that calories in - calories out = weigh gain or loss.

If you have an unaddressed thyroid, reproductive hormone, insulin, or adrenal issue you're going to be working hard to address your weight.

It is my suspicion that fixing the diet first improves weight control better than exercise because food is medicine. Anything you put in your body on a daily basis can be medicinal in that it can act to help your body restore homoeostasis or move further away from it.

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> exercising might actually be harmful to their weight loss goals, due to how we tend to overestimate how many calories were burned The actual number of calories burned exercising is unaffected by our mental estimates. Thinking you earned the right to eat junk food is the problem, not exercise.

Exercise makes me ravenous, I'm certainly not the only person for which that is true. Swimming is the worst offender, IME. I can be vigilant, but even knowing that I didn't burn enough calories to counterbalance that meatball sub I want to get after my workout, doesn't help all that much in keeping me from actually buying it anyway. This is similar to the problem of calories in = calories out. Dieting isn't a chemist…

you can put your hunger to work for you, but you need to remind yourself that, if you carry extra pounds, hunger is what weight loss feels like. That ravenous feeling if you can keep it going, that right there is the success. celebrate it, and stop killing it.

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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post #114

I've found online reaction to this article quite interesting. Normally data and study minded folks bring out the "anecdotally, this doesn't seem true" responses, and people seem think the article is attacking exercise as a concept. It's not. It's saying that if a person's goal is to lose weight, then adjusting to a good diet is far more important than (a reasonable amount of) exercise. The article does not claim that…

I'm going to continue to posit that weight is a factor of genetics / epigenetics and / or body function first and foremost. Why is it that some people, regardless of how much they eat and how little they exercise, never put on weight? That, to me, is the elephant in the room. What is going on in these peoples bodies that is kept out of popular science with regard to weight loss? We know that thyroid hormone function…

not saying that these people don't exist, I've just never seen a controlled study to investigate whether they really can eat more and not gain weight. anecdotally I know these people as well, I just don't trust anecdotal evidence.

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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I guess people go to the gym for different reasons. Me personally I don't care about losing weight. I want to convert my body fat into muscle. If I don't eat a lot I can lose tons of weight, but I also look and feel weaker. So for me, exercise is very important.

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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What other people see when they look at you is determined almost entirely by your diet. Nobody can see your muscles if they're buried under blubber.

How you feel, on the other hand, is hugely impacted by your physical activities. Not only does exercise give you energy and focus, it has a huge impact on mood. Exercise is more effective at fighting depression than most medications.

There's more to being healthy than being a healthy weight. It's probably better to be active and a little bit overweight than it is to be skinny and inactive.

Note: I said a litle bit overweight, not obese. Health risks add up quickly if you're obese. Being cut and defined like a fitness magazine model is not realistic for most people and confers few benefits beyond aesthetics. Getting out of the obese range is realistic for most people and does confer statistically significant health benefits.

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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At the beginning of this year I was easily 100 lbs overweight. Decided it was all coming off this year. Started counting every calorie with myfitnesspal, later started looking at macros as well.

Weight started coming off but it really accelerated when I got serious about exercising. Swimming a mile 3x per week. Weight training 3x per week, and I've been on the treadmill a lot in the evenings, probably another 15 miles per week fast walking. Down 60 lbs as of now and consistently losing around 3-4 pounds per week.

It's hard to keep calories at less than 1800 per day with all the exercise, but it's just a hard psychological limit I've set for myself and the myfitnesspal app (and a kitchen scale) make it doable.

It seems to me that the exercise has made me lose about 1-2 pounds per week more than just diet, but who knows.

I miss pizza.

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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Often ignored aspects to exercising as an obese person are that it plain sucks, is difficult, and likely to result in injury; it's harmful.

Whenever I see obese people out running in public, obviously attempting to lose weight, these thoughts come to mind:

1. Impressive; that's a lot of hard work, not to mention embarrassing. Nobody fit I know could do the same carrying the equivalent weight in a backpack full of sand.

2. Doomed; you're killing yourself, imagine the long-term effects of such stress on your lower joints.

3. Futile; you're probably just going to eat too much of the wrong stuff now with all the appetite stimulated by the hard work, combined with the comfort sought in the immobilized and depressed days of joint and muscle pain.

Lose the extra baggage before you start exercising! Your body will thank you.

I used to weigh ~225# in my mid 20s. That weight was dropped to ~170# in under a year by simply removing sugars and refined/processed carbohydrates from my diet, which is a good weight for my build and height of 5'9". My experience was the desire to be active and exercise simply emerged once my weight was down, because doing physical things became fun and easy again, which also meant it was perfectly safe.

In my mid 30s now and ever since that initial drop I've stayed around ~165#, but with more muscle now that I'm more physically active. I continue to diligently avoid sugars and processed carbs, processed foods in general really, and exercise every day for the fun and fitness, because it's easy and seems to combat many of the negative effects of aging.

Exercise seems optional to me. If you eat correctly, without even exercising you'll have a normal weight, and preserve the ability to be physically active. If you eat poorly, you trap yourself, and the only way out of the trap is a slow process of eating correctly, the duration being proportional to how far you've let yourself go.

It frustrates me how we've structured the food environment such that all the convenient/affordable options surrounding us are bad for us. It takes constant discipline to not eat poorly as a result.

Good luck.

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to continue to posit that weight is a factor of genetics / epigenetics and / or body function first and foremost. Why is it that some people, regardless of how much they eat and how little they exercise, never put on weight? That, to me, is the elephant in the room. What is going on in these peoples bodies that is kept out of popular science with regard to weight loss? We know that thyroid hormone function…

not saying that these people don't exist, I've just never seen a controlled study to investigate whether they really can eat more and not gain weight. anecdotally I know these people as well, I just don't trust anecdotal evidence.

Indeed, I've known a few people in my life who say "I can eat as much as I want and I never seem to gain any weight". But then when I actually accompany them, it's mostly that they don't overeat. "As much as they want" is a portion that is aligned with their body.

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exercise makes me ravenous, I'm certainly not the only person for which that is true. Swimming is the worst offender, IME. I can be vigilant, but even knowing that I didn't burn enough calories to counterbalance that meatball sub I want to get after my workout, doesn't help all that much in keeping me from actually buying it anyway. This is similar to the problem of calories in = calories out. Dieting isn't a chemist…

you can put your hunger to work for you, but you need to remind yourself that, if you carry extra pounds, hunger is what weight loss feels like. That ravenous feeling if you can keep it going, that right there is the success. celebrate it, and stop killing it.

The feeling of hunger itself is not the thing that's causing you to want to eat more. The aversion to the sensation is what's doing that, but you have control over the aversion.
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