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Re: Who's downloading pirated papers? Everyone

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Post by tibbon »

20 years ago, most people assumed that MP3 file sharing would never take us to a place where you can pay a company $9.99/month for unlimited streaming of a huge portion of published music. Surely, the Industry would never allow that to happen!

Yet, it did. I'm told that the journals will never allow themselves to become antiquated and that they play a vital role in the review process. I'm seeing this being chipped away at slowly, and have to wonder if soon that small movement will accelerate greatly.

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Post by dalke »

mattkrause wrote: post #293
dalke wrote: post #186

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I believe tomp's suggestion is that you can bootstrap as an overlay journal (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overlay_journal ) to build up that expertise. You don't need to have experienced people from the start, because they can learn while doing. At the start, no one is going to pay attention to the journal. Then as it gets known for being a good curator, people will start requesting to be reviewed for inclusion.…

Do these actually exist? I would love a "This Week in Vision Research" that has 1-2 paragraph summaries of recent papers, maybe with some attempts at critiques and placing the results in context. Faculty of 1000 is the only thing I know of that's even close to this.

"Discrete Analysis" - http://www.nature.com/news/leading-mathematician-launches-ar... just started and was in the news

http://processalgebra.blogspot.com/2015/12/the-novelty-of-ar... lists a few more, including "Logical Methods in Computer Science published its first issue ten years ago and has become one of the favourite publication outlets for researchers working on logic in computer science, broadly construed."

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Post by jrapdx3 »

hanklazard wrote: post #232
jrapdx3 wrote: post #94

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Many years ago hospital systems employed librarians who acquired articles for medical staff. Costs associated with maintaining a library were at least partially offset by fees physicians paid to be "on staff" at a hospital (or group of them). BTW those fees were typically on the order of several hundred dollars/year. Of course, among small-medium size hospital systems the libraries are long gone. Some of the largest…

And that's not even taking into account the thousands of docs in the US who work out of private practices and community health centers.

Many (most?) primary care docs work for large clinics which are often owned by hospital systems. IOW practice environments that tend to be driven by "productivity" stats, and refined clinical knowledge is not the highest priority. Don't know about public/community clinics, but given the chronic underfunding of these agencies amenities like library services are unlikely.

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Post by Jonathanks »

kriro wrote: post #42

I'm ideologically primed to favor free access to information (especially if any tax money was involved which is true for pretty much all research) but I think a middle ground of moving scientific publishing to a nextflix/itunes/kindle model would solve a lot of issues. Access a paper -> (micro) payment to the journal (who could in return set up another (micro) payment to the actual author). The biggest issue is the p…

I read "Internet Book Piracy" recently about this issue and the author, Gini Graham, has valid points and suggestions for reducing piracy; this was one of her suggestions. I have no problem with Elsevier crying wolf when there's none. They had it coming. I'm concerned about the actual cost to authors. We need a new model that puts the authors and their readers as first priorities and facilitates the movement of information, not hoarding it. Publishing companies did that for a while, then they declared themselves custodians of our common knowledge and hoarded it from us. I'm thinking of ways publishing can be made what it should be. Gini Graham has good suggestions that I'd like to see tried out.

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Post by chris_wot »

Armisael16 wrote: post #280
chris_wot wrote: post #203

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Yes. You said "He'd be out by now". To get out means you must have been in, and jailtime is what you were responding to.

Nothing ryanlol has said even remotely indicates that Scwartz going to jail would've been a good thing.

I've reread the thread, looks like I misinterpreted the argument and owe ryanlol an apology. Sorry about that. FWIW, I didn't downvote any of his comments.

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Post by chris_wot »

ryanlol wrote: post #193
ryanlol wrote: post #108

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For whatever reason lots of people here seem to disagree. Could any of the 4 downvoters clarify in what conceivable scenario would Aaron still be in prison if he was alive? Had he pled guilty, he would undoubtedly be out by now. And going to trial obviously wasn't a realistic option considering the plea deals he was offered (BTW If someone here disagrees about that, I'd really like to know why.). Read: http://volokh.…

This blanket downvoting is somewhat odd, what is it I'm saying that's so disagreeable? For afaik I've only presented facts about the time Swartz would probably have spent incarcerated.

FWIW, there was something about the way that comment was phrased that caused me to parse it badly, hence my response. I didn't downvote you, but perhaps it might help to explain the downvotes.

Incidentally, this is why I often dislike downvotes by those who don't comment directly on non-troll comments. It doesn't add a damned thing to sensible discourse, it just smacks of punitive actions against those they disagree with. You really notice it on certain topics, like Aaron - but for some reason it really occurs in anything Apple related.

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Post by chris_wot »

kefka wrote: post #296
maaku wrote: post #248

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> I would enjoy in using fMRI or other diagnostic tools to see what physiologically happens when I do those things. But I have no qualms; that shouldn't be in any academic paper until my recommendation of measuring it is done. That's not how science works...

Oh, so researching an interesting phenomenon, that is already cited in journals is somehow "not science"? I'd be careful about letting your own biases affect you negatively. Simply put, there may or may be nothing there. With diagnostic methods and feedback from the person, we can start to determine if there is a measurable effect. If there's something there, we research further. If not, we cite it as proof "no notic…

What did you mean by "that shouldn't be in any academic paper until my recommendation of measuring it is done"? I think that might be the sticking point.

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Post by kefka »

chris_wot wrote: post #309
kefka wrote: post #296

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Oh, so researching an interesting phenomenon, that is already cited in journals is somehow "not science"? I'd be careful about letting your own biases affect you negatively. Simply put, there may or may be nothing there. With diagnostic methods and feedback from the person, we can start to determine if there is a measurable effect. If there's something there, we research further. If not, we cite it as proof "no notic…

What did you mean by "that shouldn't be in any academic paper until my recommendation of measuring it is done"? I think that might be the sticking point.

I was using google speaking keyboard. I was at a stoplight and spoke it and submitted.

I'm all for scientific method, be it showing positive, negative, or no results. I also know what isn't currently scientific, although I do have curiosity if some of those 'things' can indeed be proved.

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