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Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its profits?

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Re: Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its profits?

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Summary: Because they're "proving" they can make a profit when they want to in preparation for spending a decade investing 100% of profits into building a world-wide logistics system. (I think it's an interesting theory, but the author provided little evidence.)

On the eaernings call, they mentioned they purchased and would be purchasing more trucks airplanes.

Re: Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its profits?

#32
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. Bezos can just borrow ~250 billion to buy the rest of the company. Seems easy.

A private equity firm would find the money in a heartbeat.

That would be over 4x bigger than the biggest PE buyout of all time. I'm not so sure it would be that easy.

Re: Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its profits?

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post #16

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/26/business/amazons-shrinking... I think a couple years ago they got tired of their stock tanking every time they reported a lower profit than previous quarters.

What are they going to doing they can't sustain these profits in future quarters?

Massive capex.

Re: Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its profits?

#34

Frankly I'm surprised this hasn't happened sooner. So much money is sloshing through Amazon these days, keeping it balanced to the point where you don't let it accumulate (generating profit) or flow to fast (generating loss) has got to be scary complex. At every large company I've worked at there are things on the balance sheet that are "tunable" by management which helps with this. It was a running joke inside Netwo…

Is this "tuning" typically done on the revenue side or the cost side? I'm surprised it's at all possible with proper revenue and cost recognition policies in place.

Re: Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its profits?

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Frankly I'm surprised this hasn't happened sooner. So much money is sloshing through Amazon these days, keeping it balanced to the point where you don't let it accumulate (generating profit) or flow to fast (generating loss) has got to be scary complex. At every large company I've worked at there are things on the balance sheet that are "tunable" by management which helps with this. It was a running joke inside Netwo…

Bezos is in it for the long haul. He's probably the most impressive business person there is right now. Buffett and Musk are impressive in different ways.

Re: Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its profits?

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Frankly I'm surprised this hasn't happened sooner. So much money is sloshing through Amazon these days, keeping it balanced to the point where you don't let it accumulate (generating profit) or flow to fast (generating loss) has got to be scary complex. At every large company I've worked at there are things on the balance sheet that are "tunable" by management which helps with this. It was a running joke inside Netwo…

Is this "tuning" typically done on the revenue side or the cost side? I'm surprised it's at all possible with proper revenue and cost recognition policies in place.

Spending $500m, $1b or $2b on video content is pretty easy to time.

Re: Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its profits?

#37
post #25

I find it very interesting to know what Amazon's competitive advantage would be from having their own logistics business. 1) Shipping is the definition of a commoditized business. Unlike AWS, for example, they will not be pioneering a new business model or technology. 2) What they pay right now to FedEx, UPS, USPS, DHL, OnTrac, etc. should be very close to zero margin, given their position to negotiate those companie…

Because Bezos can't get a crappy USPS delivery person off of a shift that affects a bunch of his customers.

Re: Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its profits?

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Maybe they didn't stop re-investing all their profits. Whether Amazon keeps and re-invests all of its profit (as retained earnings) or returns it all to shareholders, the reported net income number doesn't change.

It seems like you would have to look at their balance sheet to answer this, not just their income statement.

Re: Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its profits?

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post #25

I find it very interesting to know what Amazon's competitive advantage would be from having their own logistics business. 1) Shipping is the definition of a commoditized business. Unlike AWS, for example, they will not be pioneering a new business model or technology. 2) What they pay right now to FedEx, UPS, USPS, DHL, OnTrac, etc. should be very close to zero margin, given their position to negotiate those companie…

"Amazon seems to represent less than 10% of packages in the US [1]"

No. They represent revenue for UPS, as the cite says.

That gives you no info about the percent of packages for UPS, despite the quora claim. It's not safe to assume they pay what others pay, and in fact, given the range of volume discounts, it's entirely possible they pay 1/3rd-1/5th what others pay, if not less. (I base this on the fact that the companies i've worked for, which have nowhere near amazon's volume, seem to pay around that). If that was correct, they could represent 5-6% of revenues but 15-25% of volume.

(it also tells you nothing about overall. It could be that combined across 6+ carriers, they represent a large percent of all package volume in the US).

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