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Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its profits?

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Re: Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its profits?

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/26/business/amazons-shrinking... I think a couple years ago they got tired of their stock tanking every time they reported a lower profit than previous quarters.

Wonder if they wouldn't be better off going private again

Sure. Bezos can just borrow ~250 billion to buy the rest of the company. Seems easy.

Re: Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its profits?

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post #9

Summary: Because they're "proving" they can make a profit when they want to in preparation for spending a decade investing 100% of profits into building a world-wide logistics system. (I think it's an interesting theory, but the author provided little evidence.)

So they're going to establish a vertical monopoly on online retail. Great.

Re: Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its profits?

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post #18

AWS, prime, and content have much higher margins than _objects_, so a small unexpected increase in sales creates a disproportionate amount of profit.

I was joking with colleague last night that Amazon's unexpected profits were largely due to us not turning off on-demand i2.2xl development instances overnight.

Re: Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its profits?

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I find it very interesting to know what Amazon's competitive advantage would be from having their own logistics business.

1) Shipping is the definition of a commoditized business. Unlike AWS, for example, they will not be pioneering a new business model or technology.

2) What they pay right now to FedEx, UPS, USPS, DHL, OnTrac, etc. should be very close to zero margin, given their position to negotiate those companies against each other in real time. Surely, the margin should be comparable to the cost of capital.

3) Amazon seems to represent less than 10% of packages in the US [1]. Given that they have to cover more or less the same area as other shipping companies have, they will not have the economies of scale of other firms, so their cost per shipment may end up higher.

https://www.quora.com/Shipping-What-percentage-of-UPS-shipme...

Re: Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its profits?

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post #25

I find it very interesting to know what Amazon's competitive advantage would be from having their own logistics business. 1) Shipping is the definition of a commoditized business. Unlike AWS, for example, they will not be pioneering a new business model or technology. 2) What they pay right now to FedEx, UPS, USPS, DHL, OnTrac, etc. should be very close to zero margin, given their position to negotiate those companie…

Re: #1, Prime Air would certainly change economics of the last mile: http://www.amazon.com/b?node=8037720011

Re: Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its profits?

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post #25

I find it very interesting to know what Amazon's competitive advantage would be from having their own logistics business. 1) Shipping is the definition of a commoditized business. Unlike AWS, for example, they will not be pioneering a new business model or technology. 2) What they pay right now to FedEx, UPS, USPS, DHL, OnTrac, etc. should be very close to zero margin, given their position to negotiate those companie…

> Shipping is the definition of a commoditized business. Unlike AWS, for example, they will not be pioneering a new business model or technology.

I'm guessing it's the one-hour-delivery thing - last year they started testing one hour delivery for popular products in a couple of pilot cities.[0]

Presumably they can't do one hour delivery with a traditional model of centralised-warehouse -> shipping company -> shipping company's regional hub -> customer; they need an Amazon warehouse near that city, with products dispatched from there to the customer directly, or it takes too much time. Building a warehouse and dispatch operation near every major city won't be cheap.

[0] http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/33332018/amazon-launch...

Re: Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its profits?

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wonder if they wouldn't be better off going private again

Sure. Bezos can just borrow ~250 billion to buy the rest of the company. Seems easy.

A private equity firm would find the money in a heartbeat.

Re: Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its profits?

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post #25

I find it very interesting to know what Amazon's competitive advantage would be from having their own logistics business. 1) Shipping is the definition of a commoditized business. Unlike AWS, for example, they will not be pioneering a new business model or technology. 2) What they pay right now to FedEx, UPS, USPS, DHL, OnTrac, etc. should be very close to zero margin, given their position to negotiate those companie…

Controlling the last mile logistics means that Amazon can sell even more products. They can capture "I need it now" purchases with one-hour delivery, and they can capture grocery purchases because they can make sure the deliveries happen before the goods perish -- enabling them to compete with the likes of Wal-Mart.
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