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Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

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Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

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Post by seunosewa »

user_0001 wrote: post #165
gozur88 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much actual evidence is there that this has anything to do with contraception? I'm getting old now, and from what I can tell contraception was just as available when I was a teen as it is now.

I have an old friend who works for social service in the UK in a deprived area. Without wanting to be too crude, he told me that partly the reduction in teen pregnancy is down to the prevalence of porn and how it ends in a facial rather than a vaginal ejaculation.

I don't see how your friend being a social service worker validates his opinion, plausible as it may sound.

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

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Post by blisterpeanuts »

renox wrote: post #142
blisterpeanuts wrote: post #68

This article doesn't mention the religious communities where young people commonly marry and start having children before age 20. A friend of mine grew up in one such fundamentalist community in rural Iowa; she married at 20, but some of her peers were already moms by that age. I wonder whether they include this type of parent in the statistics, or are they only talking about unwed mothers here? There seem to be a lo…

> Unfortunately, our socio-economic system (outside these specialized communities) is just not set up to accommodate pregnancy at the age when we are most fertile. It's too bad[cut] I'm not so sure: I feel like I wouldn't have been mature enough to raise children correctly in my twenties.. IMHO the ideal age for raising children is your 30s: not only you're mature and young enough but if your parents had you in their…

The ideal age for raising children probably is the 30s. In traditional societies, the grandparents had a large role in child rearing. It makes sense; the young'uns are fertile, strong and energetic; perfect age to bear children. The oldsters are well qualified to teach and provide guidance.

I think we've lost something, a certain quality of life, as a result of the dispersal of families. 100 years ago, it was common in both rural and urban America for extended families to be under the same roof or at least nearby.

Now, kids move away, sometimes very far away, wait until their 30s to have kids, when the grandparents are getting too old and tired to help (except maybe financially) and the kids miss out on the rich multigenerational experience that was how people transmitted their wisdom, experience, and traditions.

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

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Post by jandrese »

fizgig wrote: post #172
rmc wrote: post #152

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Or: Teens are having more sex, but contraceptives are stopping more pregnancies.

(this is not meant to me inflammatory, but rather an honest rumination) Keeping the feminism/SJW/manosphere shenanigans in my peripheral vision, there's been a huge backlash rallying against single mothers in recent years. There's even some anecdotal evidence in dating sites/posts that single mothers are increasingly more open of their demanding that men "man up" and accept another's child/children as part of the pac…

I thought there were fewer single mothers because we have been decreasing the prison population. Lots of mothers were single because our Nixon era drug laws were aimed at locking up as many minority men as possible.

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

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Post by bitJericho »

protomyth wrote: post #4
dpweb wrote: post #2

As a teenager in the 80s, (as a joke) tried to buy condoms. Guy wouldn't sell them to me said I was too young.

I take it that the gas station bathroom didn't have them? In ND, every gas station seemed to have had the same condom dispenser. I've always wondered what company was responsible for them and who stocked them.

Hey I'm in ND too! I'm on skype under this username if you wanna start a local hn club :P

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

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Post by jschwartzi »

bko wrote: post #66
rustynails wrote: post #6

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This theory doesn't make sense (and I read three articles that repeat what you say). If you use contraception, you won't have pregnancy. So why are the rates down? Health? Then why are 25% of kids obese (I looked up those figures). I can only assume that technology has created more social isolation.

Because young people have higher personal accomplishments to strive for that would be hindered by having children too early. The reason some choose to enjoy food more than others have in the past might be just because they enjoy food and are willing to give up their health for the enjoyment of eating. I'd rather be obese than a teenage parent.

When people overeat it's not because they're enjoying the food, it's because they're using that enjoyment to replace something that feels missing.

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

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Post by BurningFrog »

TorKlingberg wrote: post #143
slv77 wrote: post #104

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Other studies later refuted it and attributed the drop in violent crime to phasing out of leaded gasoline.

The lead hypothesis is really interesting and certainly plausible, but I don't think it's been proven. I would like something more substantial than "the graphs look similar".

The stringent version of "the graphs look similar" is called "strong correlation", and there is some of that for the lead theory.

If you haven't read it, the Mother Jones article is the place to start: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure...

That article has some critics that you can look up if you're ambitious.

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

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Post by fizgig »

jandrese wrote: post #183
fizgig wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(this is not meant to me inflammatory, but rather an honest rumination) Keeping the feminism/SJW/manosphere shenanigans in my peripheral vision, there's been a huge backlash rallying against single mothers in recent years. There's even some anecdotal evidence in dating sites/posts that single mothers are increasingly more open of their demanding that men "man up" and accept another's child/children as part of the pac…

I thought there were fewer single mothers because we have been decreasing the prison population. Lots of mothers were single because our Nixon era drug laws were aimed at locking up as many minority men as possible.

For all I know, that could be the primary factor. I'm not well versed enough to speak with any authority. I just tossed an idea out there based from my sphere of online observations over the past 5 or so years.

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

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Post by pavel_lishin »

seunosewa wrote: post #181
user_0001 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have an old friend who works for social service in the UK in a deprived area. Without wanting to be too crude, he told me that partly the reduction in teen pregnancy is down to the prevalence of porn and how it ends in a facial rather than a vaginal ejaculation.

I don't see how your friend being a social service worker validates his opinion, plausible as it may sound.

A social service worker is more likely to talk to a lot of teenagers than, say, a random software developer.

Especially about their sex lives.

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

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Post by pavel_lishin »

fizgig wrote: post #172
rmc wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or: Teens are having more sex, but contraceptives are stopping more pregnancies.

(this is not meant to me inflammatory, but rather an honest rumination) Keeping the feminism/SJW/manosphere shenanigans in my peripheral vision, there's been a huge backlash rallying against single mothers in recent years. There's even some anecdotal evidence in dating sites/posts that single mothers are increasingly more open of their demanding that men "man up" and accept another's child/children as part of the pac…

> There's even some anecdotal evidence in dating sites/posts that single mothers are increasingly more open of their demanding that men "man up" and accept another's child/children as part of the package.

If you're going to seriously date a single mother, what other option do you have?

I'm not suggesting that you meet the kids on the second date, but if you're seriously romantically involved with someone for six months, you're not going to be able to continue that relationship with the single parent without having some involvement with the kids, too.

It seems crazier to me to have the option of opting out of the kids in this scenario. Do you just live separately until they turn 18?

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

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Post by pavel_lishin »

astrodust wrote: post #130
ryanmarsh wrote: post #79

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Girls look at porn. Times have changed man.

I read about a study where they were trying to see if there were differences between people who viewed internet porn and people who didn't, yet on the university campus they could not find a single person in their surveying who hadn't viewed porn at least once.

I think the joke goes that there are two kinds of people: those who look at porn, and those who lie about it.
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