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Who's downloading pirated papers? Everyone

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Re: Who's downloading pirated papers? Everyone

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While pirating music or movies, one may try justify ones actions, but deep down it feels wrong. This doesn't even feel wrong. These parasites had it coming.

If it does not feel wrong, it must be right?

We should strive for a logical explanation that transcends emotional response.

Re: Who's downloading pirated papers? Everyone

#122

Researchers have been (illegally) helping each other out with paper access for years. I used to hang out in the neuroscience group on livejournal years ago, and about half the posts were people asking "Does anyone have access to Foo et al 2012?" and then having it passed along to them by email.

I've had a 100% success rate contacting an author and asking for a copy.

Re: Who's downloading pirated papers? Everyone

#123

I'm sad Aaron Swartz did not live to see this unfolding. He might have been in prison now, but he would still be a world-class hero.

Yes, it's sad that he would be put in jail for such a "crime" whereas the likes of the CEO of Volkswagen are actually being rewarded millions for much severe crimes in the name of punishment.

Re: Who's downloading pirated papers? Everyone

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post #105

It is in the interest of the general public to mirror these services as many time as we should. Paywalls for scientific articles are holding back the whole species. Fusion reactor when? Maybe when the patents for technological advance will not be held by oil companies around the world, whose short term interests cap the our technological progress to make the world a more livable place. I have a couple PhD student fri…

Primarily in life sciences. In other disciplines, you have arxiv, or simply publishing in commercial journals doesnt matter that much.

Re: Who's downloading pirated papers? Everyone

#125
post #57
post #9

While pirating music or movies, one may try justify ones actions, but deep down it feels wrong. This doesn't even feel wrong. These parasites had it coming.

It does feel wrong, but it feels equally wrong that the government orders the police to prevent citizen from copying bytes .

The social and cultural value of something is related to the cost of production, not the cost of distribution.

The fact that the distribution cost is close to zero is irrelevant.

The problem with copyright is that a big proportion of the price charged is basically cartel/gatekeeper protection money, and has no useful relationship to the true social cost/value of creative work.

Re: Who's downloading pirated papers? Everyone

#126
So one commenter said that "Journals are used as a proxy for quality", another that they loose so much time browsing through low-quality papers. Isn't the root issue that we need an open and standard way to review, sort and rate all those academics papers ?

Developing voting, flagging, moderating mechanisms, that's what many developers have done for years now on the web. Obviously you wouldn't rate papers like reddit comments but plug arxiv/sci-hub to a system allowing researchers to say what papers they reviewed, what their degree of approval is, eventually where it's been published, who references this paper etc. Seems like Arxiv has an endorsement system but as they say "The endorsement process is not peer review", just a way to reduce spam. Isn't there anything done on this subject ?

Re: Who's downloading pirated papers? Everyone

#127
I guess that soon governments will start forcing ISPs to ban access to Sci-Hub, just like they did with Pirate Bay and Kickass Torrents. It's still trivial to type into google "pirate bay proxy" and access it quickly, but I can see some legislation happening against it soon.

Re: Who's downloading pirated papers? Everyone

#128
post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I based my comment on memory. As I recall, reprints cost on the order of $0.50 each in the early 80s. Based on http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ that's about $1.20 in present dollars. That's a lot less than $30.

Bloody hell. So we are looking at a 2,000% increasing since the 80s?

Well, what I don't know is what publishers charged third parties for reprints. Or what license fees were for universities etc. As an author, I paid $0.50 per reprint, and I was allowed to give them away. Anyway, I'm confident that there's been huge price inflation.

Re: Who's downloading pirated papers? Everyone

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That reminds me of the whole talk around "open standards" that you have to pay for to legally acquire (ANSI, ISO, IEEE, etc.), although in that case the situation is slightly different. Also, the "free software" vs "open source" distinction.

Oh this is a huge pet peeve of mine, it's unbelievable. Granted, a lot of work goes into these standards, and they don't come out of nowere, still

Yep, this is my bête noire too.

It gets even worse. I am working on software that confirms to guidelines set by the Dutch government for handling healthcare data. These Dutch national standards were actually (and justly!) made free instead of available at a fee because they became requirements instead of just guidelines. But these standards are (naturally) based on international standards. This is fine for the RFC's that are freely available, but for the three (!) relevant Dutch standards (NEN 7510, 7512, 7513) you would need access to another forty-ish (!!) ISO standards that may, or may not, be relevant to the section you are dealing with.

Of course even a single PDF for these healthcare ISO standards costs up to €100, to be paid in Swiss Francs…

Re: Who's downloading pirated papers? Everyone

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you cross-publish / self-publish as well?

It depends on the venue. In my field of computer science (visual analytics / visualizations) at least some of the leading journals/conferences officially allow you to put a version of the paper on your website. Just today we submitted a paper where the copyright form explicitly mentions that.

How... generous?
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