Live data from Hacker News

Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

washingtonpost.com

101–110 of 211 posts

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

#101
post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm 33 and grew up in the Bible belt. Looking back, I'm shocked at how good my Sex Ed was. We were taught that abstinence was the only 100% effective choice, but also about condoms and birth control pills, as well as things like the sponge (which was not recommended, but still covered) and long term hormonal implants. The biggest misinformation we were given was stuff that was genuinely believed then (and still belie…

> But I am also confused how there are/were actually sexually active teenagers who think things like "Ziploc bags are as effective as condoms". I had many stupid friends in high school :). But the schools were not highly rated as well. I do remember many new mothers in my 11th and 12th grade years and also a few who were pregnant during the graduation ceremony. So I don't think they did a good job but I don't know ho…

Wait, grade school? I certainly hope no one in your grade school was sexually active. If we're talking about things 4th graders believe, they believe all kinds of ridiculous things because they're little kids.

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

#103
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This runs counter to the belief that many have that when given higher access to contraceptives, teens will have more sex. Another knock against abstinence-only sex ed!

Perhaps wider access to contraceptives still encourages more sex, but there were other forces even stronger in the other direction?

Mathematically, sure, that's fine. Empirically/theoretically, you've dug yourself into a hole that is difficult to get out of. You're going against Occam's razor so now you've got a lot of 'splainin' to do.

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

#104

Lot of guesswork in the text. I'll add my own. The fall in this statistic looks quite similar to the fall in crime. Both are reckless shortsighted behavior, and I'd bet there is a common cause.

Didn't freakonomics write about the reverse relationship? Contraceptives helped reduce unwanted pregnancies... unwanted pregnancies turn in to unwanted babies/children that eventually have a higher probability of turning into criminals.

Other studies later refuted it and attributed the drop in violent crime to phasing out of leaded gasoline.

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

#105

"The first is the most important and may be obvious: Today's teens enjoy better access to contraception and more convenient contraception than their predecessors, and more of them are taking advantage of innovations like long-acting injectable and implantable methods that can last years over a daily birth control pill. But the second cause is something that goes against the conventional wisdom. It's that teens -- des…

If I were gonna bet on it.. the first explanation I would gravitate towards would be that these teens might have been the children of single teenage mothers/fathers themselves.. and lived through the hardship of that situation first hand.

If I were gonna bet on it, the first explanation I'd gravitate toward is universal, easily-accessed, high-quality pornography.

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

#106
post #18

I wonder how big a role obesity plays in all of this. It may be that teens are having less sex because so many of them have effectively taken themselves out of the sexual marketplace.

As a former fat teenager, I can tell you that your hypothesis is falsified by the avalable evidence.

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

#107
post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But I am also confused how there are/were actually sexually active teenagers who think things like "Ziploc bags are as effective as condoms". I had many stupid friends in high school :). But the schools were not highly rated as well. I do remember many new mothers in my 11th and 12th grade years and also a few who were pregnant during the graduation ceremony. So I don't think they did a good job but I don't know ho…

Wait, grade school? I certainly hope no one in your grade school was sexually active. If we're talking about things 4th graders believe, they believe all kinds of ridiculous things because they're little kids.

Huh. Today I learned the term "grade school" refers to elementary school (typically K through 5). I had always used it to mean school up to grade 12 (typical graduation).

Oops.

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I were gonna bet on it.. the first explanation I would gravitate towards would be that these teens might have been the children of single teenage mothers/fathers themselves.. and lived through the hardship of that situation first hand.

If I were gonna bet on it, the first explanation I'd gravitate toward is universal, easily-accessed, high-quality pornography .

Interesting. Love to see actual analysis of this.

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

#109
post #46
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Births are what matter, as a pregnant teen can get an abortion, resulting in skewed statistics if you're trying to figure out how many teens are having babies, which (imo) is the thing society should actually care about, as unready parents tend to be a drain on collective/social resources.

>Births are what matter, as a pregnant teen can get an abortion, resulting in skewed statistics if you're trying to figure out how many teens are having babies... That's true, but if your argument is the lower number of births is due to widespread availability of contraception, you have to address pregnancy and not just births.

Access to abortions is just as important as access to contraceptives.

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

#110
post #7

> But the second cause is something that goes against the conventional wisdom. It's that teens -- despite their portrayal in popular TV and movies as uninhibited and acting only on hormones -- are having less sex . Could rising childhood obesity be contributing to this as well?

They are talking about huge declines over the last 10 years. Declines that are much larger than the change in childhood obesity over the last 10 years.
Post reply on HN