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Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

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Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

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Seriously? It would have such an absolutely negligible effect that the only thing more conclusive is your bias. The article mentions that is is mostly believed to be a combination of investment in effective and health programs.

>Seriously? It would have such an absolutely negligible effect that the only thing more conclusive is your bias. You sound pretty sure of yourself. Why is that?

Because he's a fatty!

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

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The thing that will save the world from overpopulation- the internet. Both as a source of information, and perhaps as a way of abstracting social interactions that otherwise would have more opportunity to be acted out in sweatier ways.

A while back I saw some study said that said women who grow up with a TV in the house have on average, 1 less child than their mother. And this was holding even as we go into the 3rd generation of kids with TVs at home. The Internet, and especially mobile Internet, are like TV * 5. So maybe this is right.

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

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I'm surprised no one has brought up lead - childhood lead exposure leads to more rash behavior, and the drop in teen pregnancy starts roughly when the first children who were born after the removal of lead from gasoline and paint started would have become teenagers. http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/02/unleaded-gasol...

For what it's worth, here is the actual chart with blood lead levels:

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2015-10/documents...

IIRC the working draft of that report had a more detailed chart, but I don't see it in the final version for whatever reason.

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

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I'm not parent but I wonder if it could be both? Though I think the former was the original intent but I hadn't thought about the latter.

My wild hypothesis is that teens may be more aware of the rising cost of parenthood and may rationally be avoiding the situation altogether.

I think you underestimate the extent to which pregnancy was always considered an Unthinkably Bad Thing by teens. And also overestimate the extent to which teens are rational.

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

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This theory doesn't make sense (and I read three articles that repeat what you say). If you use contraception, you won't have pregnancy. So why are the rates down? Health? Then why are 25% of kids obese (I looked up those figures). I can only assume that technology has created more social isolation.

You're conflating obesity with teen birth... why exactly? You're saying technology didn't spread the idea of having less sex; I don't even think the commenter you're responding to claimed as much, merely that for all the chatter about sex and violence on TV and video games and other media, teens are still doing a good job at not making stupid choices. Which is contrary to what many people believe today. I don't think…

"You're conflating obesity with teen birth... why exactly?"

Maybe they were taking the line "still make rational decisions regarding their bodies" out of context. (Overeating is no more rational than risking unwanted pregnancy.) I'm neither agreeing nor defending, just looking for a connection.

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

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Good point. Porn for lots of boys, and celibacy for lots of girls. But hey, maybe they'll just grow out of it. My generation eventually grew out of promiscuity. Or maybe "aged out" is more accurate ;) HIV was a huge bring-down, too :(

Girls look at porn. Times have changed man.

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Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

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"The first is the most important and may be obvious: Today's teens enjoy better access to contraception and more convenient contraception than their predecessors, and more of them are taking advantage of innovations like long-acting injectable and implantable methods that can last years over a daily birth control pill. But the second cause is something that goes against the conventional wisdom. It's that teens -- des…

If I were gonna bet on it.. the first explanation I would gravitate towards would be that these teens might have been the children of single teenage mothers/fathers themselves.. and lived through the hardship of that situation first hand.

On the one hand, I can definitely see that happening. On the other, is the observed phenomenon of children following in their parents' (parent's?) footsteps whether they mean to or not (perhaps because outcomes are commonly the emergent result of different behavioral and attitude markers that are harder to shake). I don't know which of those influences wins out more often, but unfortunately (for disadvantaged children) I suspect it's the latter.

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

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Education probably plays a good part in it. When I was growing up, and I'm only 30, we didn't get much sexual education in school, were taught to simply not have sex and many of my friends thought many untruths like pulling out is fine, douching is a form of contraception and even one unfortunate friend who thought ziplock bags were just as effective as condoms.

I am 35 and in the US we had very detailed sex ed including how to use a condom, how wide the contraceptive window was ect starting around 12ish. IMO, this is really more an issue with many local schools being horrible than anything else.

I'm 33 and grew up in the Bible belt. Looking back, I'm shocked at how good my Sex Ed was. We were taught that abstinence was the only 100% effective choice, but also about condoms and birth control pills, as well as things like the sponge (which was not recommended, but still covered) and long term hormonal implants. The biggest misinformation we were given was stuff that was genuinely believed then (and still believed by many) like there being a high likelihood of pregnancy from pre-ejaculate.

But I am also confused how there are/were actually sexually active teenagers who think things like "Ziploc bags are as effective as condoms". Maybe the trickle down effect of decent Sex Ed was responsible for dispelling these kinds of beliefs before we were at the sexually active age. I certainly didn't know anyone who thought (or at least expressed) an opinion this ignorant in high school. If nothing else, having sex through a Ziploc bag sounds miserably uncomfortable.

But then, I did know a guy in college who apparently thought the condom was supposed to be stretched over the scrotum, so this ignorance is out there (or at least was).

Re: Teen birth rate hits all-time low, led by 50% decline among Hispanics and blacks

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"The first is the most important and may be obvious: Today's teens enjoy better access to contraception and more convenient contraception than their predecessors, and more of them are taking advantage of innovations like long-acting injectable and implantable methods that can last years over a daily birth control pill. But the second cause is something that goes against the conventional wisdom. It's that teens -- des…

This runs counter to the belief that many have that when given higher access to contraceptives, teens will have more sex. Another knock against abstinence-only sex ed!

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