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Re: Steam now accepts Bitcoin for purchases

#141
I find the vitriol towards Bitcoin kind of odd.

If I posted an article about Linux 4.1 or something, I wouldn't expect to see comments saying 'meanwhile, I used Windows yesterday, and played GTA5, and it was good'.

What gives? Are there forums in which people have this sort of reaction to, I dunno, HTML5?

From some of the posts here you would think that it's IED control software.

Re: Steam now accepts Bitcoin for purchases

#142
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> I take your TND, and then I give you BTC which I've purchased. In that case you end up holding TND and need to purchase the bitcoin to give to your customers in another currency. You would have an easier result if you just directly exchanged TND to EUR without putting BTC in between. Likely that's about as legal as your solution. Just because at some point the value is hold in BTC doesn't mean currency controls cea…

I agree, it's quite risky and can easily be shut down by the authorities if they catch wind of it. I think the simplest way to avoid the risk is to setup a decentralized exchange that connects buyers to sellers. But that means it becomes much more difficult to take a cut, as people will just meet face-to-face.

Yes, but why can't you just connect TND sellers and EUR sellers? Why insert all the complexity and risk BTC provides? The end result for both parties would be exactly the same.

Re: Steam now accepts Bitcoin for purchases

#143
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I could see this as Steam testing the Bitcoin waters. Steam games created an entirely new market of digital items changing hands for real world money, and this is done globally across all currencies--bitcoin would be an ideal fit. I could also see value in using bitcoin to reward content creators (modders). Obviously this is crazy speculation, but seem to be solid use cases.

I don't think this was done for any political or idealistic reason. I imagine bitcoin makes it a lot easier for purchases in countries with unreliable banking, high levels of fraud, etc. Try transfering a non-trivial amount of money to Eastern Europe, Africa, Russia, Brazil, etc. Steam deals with this millions of times a day with fraud credit attempts, legitimate credit cards being turned down, etc. Legitimate buyers can just use bitcoin and not worry about credit card shenanigans.

The "omg futurist" brownie points are just a side-effect. Steam/Valve isn't terribly progressive. Heck, its only recently that they put in a refund policy and started putting in common sense limitations on trading to stop fraud. Someone did a cost/benefit analysis here and it simply worked out. I guessing this is part of a larger anti-fraud initiative at Valve.

Re: Steam now accepts Bitcoin for purchases

#144
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I've always wondered why hackernews hates bitcoin so much. Can someone explain?

It's because it's not just comprised of tech people, who are excited about its theoretical underpinnings, but also by business savvy people, who know that it will hardly fly for numerous reasons (and if a similar technology ever catches up, it will have so many government imposed regulations as to be totally different), plus old jaded tech persons who know a marginal at best tech and/or snake oil when they see it. As…

You are neglecting the class of users that is the one of the oldest. The people that use it for illegal means. Until something comes out that approaches the financial stability of bitcoin (yeah bitcoin isn't great, but other cryptocurrencies are worse) and is harder to trace than bitcoin, bitcoin will be what is used for illegal online transactions.

Re: Steam now accepts Bitcoin for purchases

#145
post #93

I could see this as Steam testing the Bitcoin waters. Steam games created an entirely new market of digital items changing hands for real world money, and this is done globally across all currencies--bitcoin would be an ideal fit. I could also see value in using bitcoin to reward content creators (modders). Obviously this is crazy speculation, but seem to be solid use cases.

I don't think this was done for any political or idealistic reason. I imagine bitcoin makes it a lot easier for purchases in countries with unreliable banking, high levels of fraud, etc. Try transfering a non-trivial amount of money to Eastern Europe, Africa, Russia, Brazil, etc. Steam deals with this millions of times a day with fraud credit attempts, legitimate credit cards being turned down, etc. Legitimate buyers…

That was pretty much my point. Bitcoin has a solid use case (being a global currency) and Steam is exploiting it.

Re: Steam now accepts Bitcoin for purchases

#147
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A $100 cellphone isn't a decentralized peer to peer network. You are comparing apples to nose-hairs. Bitcoin will scale in the same way the internet scaled... slowly and then suddenly.

For me the largest put off with Bitcoin is the community. They seem to be very intolerant of criticism, to the appearance of a cult or ideology.[1] The problem lies in that unlike most open source projects, a sizeable portion of the community stands to make huge profits, giving rise to a permanent conflict of interest. Time and time again, the financial interest of the early adopters continue to stifle actual develop…

That's exactly my problem with bitcoin as well. I'm just elaborating Hearn's points here; but as it turns out the incentive for miners (in order to pay their mining) is actually a deflationary good (so the value of their mined coins keeps increasing). Unfortunately miners are also required for the confirmation of transactions.

On the other hand a global payment system would require a currency which is at the very least stable (and not increasing in value). But a stable value might not be enough to cover the expenses of most of the miners. Mining is already dominated by Chinese miners which happen to have access to the cheapest electricity - which incidentally completely undermines the aspect of decentralization.

In summary it seems that at this point a decentralized payment system just appears to be too expensive (computationally) to be any serious competition for currencies in countries with a well established, trusted payment system. It still might be of use in the developing world.

Re: Steam now accepts Bitcoin for purchases

#148
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A $100 cellphone isn't a decentralized peer to peer network. You are comparing apples to nose-hairs. Bitcoin will scale in the same way the internet scaled... slowly and then suddenly.

People don't use cars because they have a hard on for internal combustion engines. They use cars to go from one place to another, i.e their utility. The utility of bitcoin is its TPS rate.

Bitcoin's utility is being a global currency.

Like I said, Bitcoin will scale like the internet scaled which is in direct proportion to demand. Blocks aren't often full and if you are in a hurry then you need to pay 10 or 20 cents to prioritize your transaction.

Re: Steam now accepts Bitcoin for purchases

#149
post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I take your TND, and then I give you BTC which I've purchased. In that case you end up holding TND and need to purchase the bitcoin to give to your customers in another currency. You would have an easier result if you just directly exchanged TND to EUR without putting BTC in between. Likely that's about as legal as your solution. Just because at some point the value is hold in BTC doesn't mean currency controls cea…

I agree, it's quite risky and can easily be shut down by the authorities if they catch wind of it. I think the simplest way to avoid the risk is to setup a decentralized exchange that connects buyers to sellers. But that means it becomes much more difficult to take a cut, as people will just meet face-to-face.

You would end up with several different exchange rates with TND > BTC quickly hitting ~3x what the 'official' exchange rates suggest. The basic problem is the country does not have enough exports, currency controls simply prop up the currency.

Re: Steam now accepts Bitcoin for purchases

#150

I find the vitriol towards Bitcoin kind of odd. If I posted an article about Linux 4.1 or something, I wouldn't expect to see comments saying 'meanwhile, I used Windows yesterday, and played GTA5, and it was good'. What gives? Are there forums in which people have this sort of reaction to, I dunno, HTML5? From some of the posts here you would think that it's IED control software.

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