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What is the best part about being a Software Engineer?

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Re: What is the best part about being a Software Engineer?

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I feel like people overstate just how massive the divide between SF unicorns and everywhere else is. While I admit I'm not on the 100k+ salaries of the big five, I'm definitely not struggling and pulling all nighters - I work 8 hours a day, 90% of the time from home, with the odd evening of working on something if I'm particularly into it. For that I get paid a decent salary for my area, get to do a job I find intere…

As a comp sci student up north, are the salaries in London worth the hassle of living in London? Don't get me wrong I like visiting London, but I wouldn't want to live there unless the incentive is too good to pass up.

Its not just the salaries, its the opportunities.

There are just so many tech jobs available in London. And once you have a job, you have much more flexibility to change jobs without having to move home. This might not be a consideration when you are younger and more flexible in terms of location, but I do know some people who have settled in other parts of the UK who now have families and feel stuck with their current employer due to lack of other opportunities in their area.

And it isn't just the jobs, but also the developer communities. If you live in Shoreditch, for example, you could go to a tech meetup (many with free beer and pizza) within walking distance of home pretty much every night of the week if you really wanted to.

I looked at relocating from London back to Scotland many years ago, and was perfectly reconciled to halving my salary given cost of living and quality of life considerations, but it was simply the relative lack of opportunities that was the main issue in my case.

Re: What is the best part about being a Software Engineer?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like people overstate just how massive the divide between SF unicorns and everywhere else is. While I admit I'm not on the 100k+ salaries of the big five, I'm definitely not struggling and pulling all nighters - I work 8 hours a day, 90% of the time from home, with the odd evening of working on something if I'm particularly into it. For that I get paid a decent salary for my area, get to do a job I find intere…

As a comp sci student up north, are the salaries in London worth the hassle of living in London? Don't get me wrong I like visiting London, but I wouldn't want to live there unless the incentive is too good to pass up.

If you want to move, but don't fancy London, come to Bristol. There's a great (and growing) tech scene here, and a wonderful developer community (tech related meetup events virtually every evening, and people know and are friendly to each other).

Of course if you're happy where you are, then stay there. Tis just another option you may not have considered.

Re: What is the best part about being a Software Engineer?

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> No matter how much I have or achieve in life, there is always going to be somebody smarter than me, who has more.

I wish more people understood this concept. I'd even go as far to say it has nothing to do with "somebody smarter than me." Certainly there are people out there not as smart as I who make more and have nicer things. But don't dwell on such comparisons. If you are happy with what you have, that is what matters.

Re: What is the best part about being a Software Engineer?

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For me, the best part is interviewing for new jobs. You have not lived till you are asked to reverse sort a binary tree, whilst skipping on one leg, having to show you are passionate about the job! The disappointment was that the actual job did not entail data structures, Algorithms or even skipping! Just CRUD web apps.

OMG I remember interviewing for a company asking all the right questions and talking about nice tech stacks and whatnot. People were nice too. Then I got an offer and I accepted it. First day in the job I figure that their main tech/language was TCL (of course they never mentioned it in the interviews). Stayed 2 weeks and went off running. The possibility of being stuck with some backwater tech killing off your future prospects is yet another of the freaking traps in this job.

Re: What is the best part about being a Software Engineer?

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The best part about being SE are:

1) Iteration: We get to practice our stuff on real entities (language, OS, databases, etc). Do architects get to "practice" actual work at their home? Do new doctors get to try experimental surgeries? Do amateur civil engineers get to build those iconic bridges? They can do computer simulation ... but it is actually a software.

2) Hackathon: Can't imagine this happening in say medical field, mechanical engineering, law etc. Software Industry is one of few industries where this can be done.

3) Changing the world quietly: Many in my relatives are not programmers. It is hard to explain to them in what ways software is changing the world.

4) Open source: Imagine Coca Cola sharing its secret recipe. It won't but we as SE get to learn from open source projects. Now there is a cultural aspect to this but the point is that we as SE can experience it more than other professions.

Re: What is the best part about being a Software Engineer?

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When I was at school we had to interview our headmaster, and somebody asked him if he thought his job was difficult. His answer has always stayed with me: "Compared to lying on a beach drinking cocktails, it's difficult. But compared to a coal miner, it's ridiculously easy." Would I rather be a software developer - even one who is building boring CRUD apps - or a coal miner?

My job is definitely easier than a 1930s immigrant coal miner's. Is it easier than a 2016 coal miner's? Probably. Maybe. Is it easier than a furniture mover's? No, but it pays a lot more. Is it easier than a 1970s steelworker's? Certainly not, and it actually pays less.

Actually, you get payed far more. A steelworker in 1975 made on average $7.11.[1] This is about $31.47 in 2016 dollars. Not bad at all, but I'm still guessing you make more.

[1] http://articles.mcall.com/1985-07-19/news/2489404_1_steel-in...

Re: What is the best part about being a Software Engineer?

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If you see living in London as a hassle, then you should stay up North. I would hazard a guess and suggest that the salary would have to be at least double what you could earn up there to make it worthwhile. Have a look at Scotland, plenty of tech companies there and it's a lovely place to live.

100% this. Some people simply do not like London - they stand atop the tube station at Oxford Circus and look at the succession and repetition of massed humanity (to quote Waugh) and think, "How unpleasant." Even if you're making a six figure salary, if you find that many people - and everything else that goes hand-in-hand with that - unpleasant, it will grind you down; that salary won't cheer you up every time you'r…

I grew up in a small town in Scotland, and my mother was always going on about how terrible London was. So much so in fact that when I finished university I was looking for a job anywhere in the world except for London (even had a telephone interview with a company in Palo Alto before I knew where that was). But as things happened I eventually ended up in London. And I do think that moving here was one of the best things I've done.

My mother had of course never lived in London, just visited once as a tourist. And if you are a tourist you are likely to end up in the busiest, noisiest, smelliest and most expensive parts. But once you live here for a while, and realised how enormous it is, and how many completely different experiences you can have and how many different things you can make of it, there really is something for just about everyone. And now I've settled in a relatively quiet and green area, even my mother is willing to concede that maybe London might have some nice parts.

Re: What is the best part about being a Software Engineer?

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The best part about being SE are: 1) Iteration: We get to practice our stuff on real entities (language, OS, databases, etc). Do architects get to "practice" actual work at their home? Do new doctors get to try experimental surgeries? Do amateur civil engineers get to build those iconic bridges? They can do computer simulation ... but it is actually a software. 2) Hackathon: Can't imagine this happening in say medica…

adding to 1) - no real responsibility for bugs :)

apart from few very specialized areas, you can do harm with bug but not harm/kill anybody. and we all do bugs, don't we

Re: What is the best part about being a Software Engineer?

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I think "CRUD" applications are getting an undeserved bad rap. There's always interesting challenges involved, which sadly gets dismissed as "business logic". If CRUD apps were really so brainless, there would have been a race-to-the-bottom plethora of platforms/tools by now that allow domain experts to create their own applications. Another way to look at is that CRUD apps put food on the table for you guys. Be grat…

CRUD apps are 90% brainless. The only challenge not solved by phpMyAdmin or others alike is UI and nice connections between the data. There were already attempts at generating this 90% just to decorate with UI and additional logic, but I feel it will take some time to do it well. People got burned by GWT and other backend + frontend solutions. Also "CRUD apps put food on the table for you guys. Be grateful!" is a rea…

> People got burned by GWT [...]

What do you mean?

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