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Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

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Re: Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

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post #51

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That's got to be the most French way of cheating I've ever heard.

That's because you don't know about the early days of the Tour de France where the racers would drink wine along the way.

Wine skin. It's been around forever. We use them while skiing.

Re: Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

#82

I don't see it in the article but I heard it recently so I guess I'll share. Lance Armstrong was on the Joe Rogan Experience and discussed doping within the sport. He said at one point in time, people would thread fishing line through a wine cork. They'd tie the line to the tail of a car and stick the cork in their mouth. As the car starts moving, the cork pulls against your teeth giving you just enough pull.

Sounds like a fine way to lose your teeth.

pretty sure the cork would break before your teeth.

Re: Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

#83
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not familiar with that race specifically, but it's not unheard of for a young rider to have massive strength, but little technical skill. The ability to descent and maneuver technically only comes with years in the saddle.

Presumably her competition wasn't significantly older...

The article mentioned she's competing with people of similar age.

Re: Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

#84
post #4

It makes me wonder if the engines would be this sophisticated if they weren't for cheating?

Most probably not. It's pretty clear in the FranceTV video (It's in French though) in the section starting at 14:40 https://youtu.be/e0s2yo6ws9U?t=884 Starting at 17:00, he describes an electro-magnetic wheel, Lipos inside the tube, magnets all around the wheel, remote controlled by a wristwatch. Priced 50K€ at 200K€, can't possibly be used for casual cycling.

I was thinking that I wanted to build that motor using magnets, hot glue, coils, and an Arduino... Can't be that hard can it...

Re: Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

#85

What about Ryder Hesjedal's bike spinning on itself a few years back? Are we addressing that as well? It feels like the UCI is only going after easy pickings to prove a point and not doing its best to actually to fight mechanical cheating in fear of yet another scandal.

Some people just loooove conspiracy theories...

Re: Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

#86
post #63

Yeah, but that's yesterday's news. Today had Marcel Kittel winning a snow-shortened stage in the Tour de Romandie and Sacha Modolo winning in the Tour of Turkey. Also, the guidebook for the upcoming Giro d'Italia has been published: http://static2.giroditalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Gar... Looks to be a great race, although I think there's a risk that stages 19 and 20, which thread their way through the Alps on…

I used to really like to follow cycling -- I have now concluded it is the dirtiest sport there is. They are the original dopers -- note that the list starts in the 1800's:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cyclin...

    e.g. 1930 "The acceptance of drug-taking in the Tour de
    France was so complete by 1930 that the rule book, 
    distributed by Henri Desgrange, reminded riders that 
    drugs would not be provided by the organizers."
Now their "doping" the bikes.

Re: Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

#87

Are there any competitions where this sort of motor assist is legal? It seems like that might be an interesting sport.

I assume you are talking about assisted cycling, rather than the well-known motorsports suggested in other comments!

There are motor-paced cycle races [1] where cyclists get to slipstream powered vehicles - for example derney-paced races [2] and Keirin [3]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor-paced_racing [2] https://youtu.be/8cvSGNiaZRI?t=29s [3] https://youtu.be/4aPBqwfj_mQ?t=1m45s

Re: Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

#88
>She also said that this bike was taken by accident by her helpers to the pit area.

>She claimed that he had put a motor in unbeknownst to her

What is with athletes and never admitting their mistakes. You were caught, I would have much more respect for someone if they just came out and said "Yes, I did it, I take full responsibility." Instead they come up with these ridiculous excuses that do nothing but continue to degrade their integrity.

Re: Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

#89

Part of me wonders why only 6 years. It doesn't seem like someone who would do this has much respect for the sport.

It's enough to destroy her career which is all they really needed to do. To do it you have to have no respect at all. Sure EPO is awful, but an extra 200 watts for no extra work is a different level.

It's really not. At least it doesn't fuck her body up for the rest of her life. Because everyone was taking EPO, to compete you had to take EPO.

Re: Hidden motors in cycling: Van den Dreissche banned for 6 years, titles stripped

#90
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It must be tough writing code in Europe - computers only use decimal points, not decimal commas. And how do you make an international interface for money, when you never know how people will enter things? I'm kind of confused as to why you're confused, so bear with me if I oversimplify, but are you aware of the globalization settings in your OS? It determines the display and entry format of things like currency. Yes,…

I don't know about you, but for me it's pretty common to output numbers that I then use in the program. So you have to distinguish between output meant for a program and output meant for human. Say someone gives you a logfile of problematic transactions - you then have to convert all the numbers to decimal points before using them in some one-off program that checks them.

Not wishing to condescend, but where it matters, there are standard ways of doing this. For example, the standard library of .NET and Java have date format localisation so they can deal with local time zones and read and write dates. They have standard local methods for localized string joining strings, numbers and currencies.

Here are two articles:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/1ksz8yb7(v=vs.110)....

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/5hh873ya(v=vs.90).a...

If you don't want to write software for anyone but yourself or people in an identical environment that's fine, but if you want to write software for other people then there's lots of library support.

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