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German nuclear plant infected with computer viruses, operator says

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Re: German nuclear plant infected with computer viruses, operator says

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It's more alarming to me that, apparently, critical infrastructure in a nuclear plant is running old versions of Windows.

> It's more alarming to me that, apparently, critical infrastructure in a nuclear plant is running old versions of Windows Don't worry, the most important parts are running on DOS or OS/2, so we're saved from doom!

"Nuclear is safe", they said.

I'd rather have my local solar power plant infected with viruses or hit by cyberattacks.

Re: German nuclear plant infected with computer viruses, operator says

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What....? Seriously, wtf? Is it really that hard to provide outlets to charge your phone?

Or alternatively, how about WTF are you doing plugging your phone into this fucking cockpit? You're here to do your job and if you want to carry your phone around with you in the factory all day that's up to you, but plugging your phone into the fucking cockpit you're meant to be working on will result in demotions, suspensions and unemployment all round. More politely put, I see no obligation on employers to provide…

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Re: German nuclear plant infected with computer viruses, operator says

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What....? Seriously, wtf? Is it really that hard to provide outlets to charge your phone?

Or alternatively, how about WTF are you doing plugging your phone into this fucking cockpit? You're here to do your job and if you want to carry your phone around with you in the factory all day that's up to you, but plugging your phone into the fucking cockpit you're meant to be working on will result in demotions, suspensions and unemployment all round. More politely put, I see no obligation on employers to provide…

I see no obligation on employers to provide employees with the means to recharge their personal phones

What makes you so sure it isn't (also) their work phone? Lots of people I know don't have a personal phone and a work phone, they just have a phone.

Re: German nuclear plant infected with computer viruses, operator says

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post #22

It's more alarming to me that, apparently, critical infrastructure in a nuclear plant is running old versions of Windows.

> It's more alarming to me that, apparently, critical infrastructure in a nuclear plant is running old versions of Windows Don't worry, the most important parts are running on DOS or OS/2, so we're saved from doom!

Not quite. Doom installs just fine on DOS. It's just one of the games I would install...

Re: German nuclear plant infected with computer viruses, operator says

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Possibly important to note the timing of this admission right on the heels of the announcement of our defense minister that she wants to build a 'cyber' division in the army with 13500 people working there. Thats almost 10% of our armed forces. I could only find decent reporting about this in german: http://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/plaene-der-verteidigungsm...

Also just after the 30th anniversary of Chernobyl.

Re: German nuclear plant infected with computer viruses, operator says

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post #31
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's more alarming to me that, apparently, critical infrastructure in a nuclear plant is running old versions of Windows Don't worry, the most important parts are running on DOS or OS/2, so we're saved from doom!

"Nuclear is safe", they said. I'd rather have my local solar power plant infected with viruses or hit by cyberattacks.

Modern nuclear reactor design is such that you cant cause a meltdown without violating the laws of physics.

Re: German nuclear plant infected with computer viruses, operator says

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I wonder what scale of disaster will have to occur before information security is placed under the same legal and regulatory scrutiny as physical security?

Even if you did that, there is still more than enough room for human error or sheer negligence. See: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-08/entergy-ag...

Re: German nuclear plant infected with computer viruses, operator says

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It's more alarming to me that, apparently, critical infrastructure in a nuclear plant is running old versions of Windows.

There are Windows computers in there. They are not connected to any outside network "to be safe". Therefore they are protected, even protected from updates. Software that runs on them is validated for that specific OS version with a specific state of updates applied.

Regulations say you can't just ran any random device (including software) there, that's unsafe.

Unfortunately regulations weren't being made with PCs in mind where anybody can plug in an infected USB stick. Or needs to in case he's a service technician. (Yes, those ports are not available for "anybody" who is there, but somebody needs to install software on those machines).

There are things I have seen I wish I could unsee to feel safe.

Re: German nuclear plant infected with computer viruses, operator says

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post #36
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Nuclear is safe", they said. I'd rather have my local solar power plant infected with viruses or hit by cyberattacks.

Modern nuclear reactor design is such that you cant cause a meltdown without violating the laws of physics.

Unfortunately most nuclear reactors aren't modern.

Re: German nuclear plant infected with computer viruses, operator says

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post #36
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Nuclear is safe", they said. I'd rather have my local solar power plant infected with viruses or hit by cyberattacks.

Modern nuclear reactor design is such that you cant cause a meltdown without violating the laws of physics.

How does this work? Do you know the reactor-type you are speaking of? I'd like to know more on this...
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