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After Netflix crackdown on border-hopping, Canadians ready to return to piracy

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Re: After Netflix crackdown on border-hopping, Canadians ready to return to piracy

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I am an English person living in Switzerland. Netflix Switzerland is useless to me (no House of Cards, not enough focus on UK and USA content, etc.). Therefore I had a Netflix USA account, which I accessed via unblock-us. The clampdown by Netflix has been "successful" and I now can't access Netflix USA using unblock-us. This happened halfway through watching House of Cards. So my choice was either stop watching or do…

I think the reply would be... why do you feel entitled to consume content that you didn't create, in the first place? You had the choice to stop watching... and thats the only legal choice. To pretend that doing something illegal because you feel entitled to it is right, thats a little bit... childish?

>Because they feel entitled to the content

>Its simple entitlement

>they feel entitled to watch

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

>why do you feel entitled to consume content that you didn't create, in the first place?

Because it has been published, therefore it is public. 'Publish' is literally a verb that means 'to make available to the public'. And 'public' is literally an adjective that means 'open to or shared by all people'. Of course people have a right to access public things. Why would you feel otherwise? Do you feel guilty when you go to a public park because you didn't create the land? Do you feel the urge to surrender yourself to the police because you walked on a public sidewalk that you didn't create?

Copyright grants special privileges to an author so that they can be compensated for their work, in hopes that this will encourage people to publish things. If you refuse to use your privileges, that's your choice, you decided not to get paid. The public is still entitled to keep the gift that you gave them.

Where it gets ugly is that copyright declares that copying or transmitting something (even something already public) is itself an act of publication, and only the author is allowed to determine who may republish their work for awhile. So redistributing without permission is not allowed. But it has been published and therefore the public does still have a right to access it if it is available, they just don't have the right to republish it.

Which leads to the issue here. What is the correct result if something is public, and the public has every right to access it, but can't exercise that right because it's not available? In theory, the author should take advantage of their copyright privileges to get some money from the public in exchange for access. That would be a win-win, leaving everybody happy!

In the past, that could be difficult due to printing and shipping and international trade difficulties and various other legitimate problems. But today's tech makes it relatively trivial, cheap, and convenient to sell digital files online globally. So if the author chooses not to do so, then in the eyes of the public, the author has opted out of their copyright privilege, they have forfeited. It is a public thing that should be open to free access, since the author has chosen not to accept payment for access. Of course, that's not what the law says yet, but that's already what people believe is correct, reasonable, and ethical.

Authors who attempt to suppress access to public things, or make it unreasonably difficult and expensive to do so, or bully people who try to access them, are in the wrong, and they will lose eventually. That is an unethical and immoral stance, and it is an abuse of copyright, not in keeping with its intent.

Re: After Netflix crackdown on border-hopping, Canadians ready to return to piracy

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Yes, and African Americans had the option of not visiting "white only" restaurants. Do you see any difference here? Because I don't.

Yes, there is a huge difference. I bet people like Rosa Parks, MLK, etc... people who paid dearly for Equal rights would be so upset that you've lowered the meaning of that word to simple movies... Being treated differently, being cast aside and being held back from success because of your race, that you cant change, that you had no control of aquiring - is nowhere near not being able to watch a movie because of lega…

>Being treated differently [...] because of _, that you cant change, that you had no control of [...] is nowhere near not being able to [...] because of _, [that you cant change, that you had no control of]. How do you possibly consider those things even remotely similar?

Edited that for clarity.

Re: After Netflix crackdown on border-hopping, Canadians ready to return to piracy

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Because for netflix to provide a service to you in your country, there is often legal hurdles in doing so... If you think netflix's motivation is "lets keep these people out because we want to" ... you're not very smart. Netflix will gladly take money from anyone willing to give it, assuming they can legally do so without higher costs to them that outweigh the gain. No business turns down customers if they dont have…

I am not blaming Netflix. I even don't blame corporations holding the copyright, as they'd also want to sell as much as possible. I blame international copyright law, which at this point amounts to outright discrimination, not unlike racial discrimination laws some decades ago. If history is any teacher, it is impossible to fight immoral discriminatory laws legally. Peaceful protest works much better. So, go pirate,…

Copyright law is so unbelievably out of touch with reality that is difficult to understand how we got into this mess. We have evolved to have perfect memories and instant access to information through the invention of personal computing devices and the internet and yet laws are attempting the suppress the impact that these inventions have so that the people with wealth can continue to gain more wealth. The best interest of the public is the last thing on any ones mind which is somewhat ironic since "the public good" is supposed to be the objective of any law put in place.

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Before HBO Go people in the US had to wait and buy the DVD or Blu-ray too . You aren't forced to pirate something just because you need to watch it NOW.

This is not about me being forced to pirate anything. It's about offering paying customers a way worse service than people who just download a copy illegaly. It's not too hard to slap a PayPal or Stripe button in front of an HTML5 video with optional Flash fallback. But no, legal entities need to make sure that you won't rip them off with their digital rights nonsense. I understand that this is mostly a legal require…

It bothers me so much that I cant just go to gameofthrones.com, put in my credit card and watch the show.

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The same effect is occurring in South Africa. People I know are switching back to piracy because our Netflix catalog is probably in the region of 10% of America (for the same reasons, as well as others). After years of not being able to legally access some copyrighted content, with no discussion and no change, I honestly don't see the copyright holders backing down - strange considering that they are the only ones ac…

Same as you, not condoning piracy. However, in my opinion it is very unlikely we are paying for "the persons who worked hard on creating this content". Sure we are paying for them, but I think most of the money goes to the person whose capital "worked hard on creating this content".

So? The content creators don't get their next gig unless the investors feel like finding it.

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...Because they feel entitled to the content...

You keep confusing "being entitled to content" and "being entitled to equal and non-discriminatory treatment". Do you understand the difference?

Does the right to equal treatment mean the seller must charge the same price to everyone?

For example, must the price to stream the latest James Bond movie be the same in India as the United States?

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It sure is how it feels. Facebook trending: look at this awesome SNL clip the world is laughing and talking about! Click on it, oh sorry, you can't watch this in Canada, but hey, the rest of the world that matters can(read: the US), so yeah, good bye. Any content provider that blocks you out based on your location makes you feel discriminated against and it sucks! I like how Netflix says that we are very vocal, but m…

I don't agree that that's the case. To me, region-restrictions for US content (the most popular worldwide) present a massive opportunity for content creators not based in the US to make something that is in fact truly globally available. While it's true that US TV and movies have been globally popular since the time of their invention, the rise of YouTube, Vine, Instagram etc. show that global audiences can be develo…

I never said it wasn't a great opportunity for non-US content creators, I love shows from all over, I'm just saying it feels racist when the country next door won't share with me (or others) their content. Do I understand why they won't yes, but it's frustrating none-the-less and I imagine most people don't understand it. And it's not like they can stop me from viewing what I want, it's just incredibly aggravating when a simple hyperlink fails and requires a multi-step, lengthy process, especially for things ranging from a 30 second clip from goddamn syndicated TV I can get with basic cable (which I no longer have) to premium talk of the town shows.

In short, I'm kind of confused with why you don't agree and then talk about a completely different subject. Yes, good opportunity, but that doesn't stop the feelings for existing content that is also good, unless you consider it irrelevant, which you might, but I still like some premium US based stuff. Geo-blocking, at least to me, and I'm sure many others, feels like discrimination. Not all have to feel that way for it to be true.

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I am an English person living in Switzerland. Netflix Switzerland is useless to me (no House of Cards, not enough focus on UK and USA content, etc.). Therefore I had a Netflix USA account, which I accessed via unblock-us. The clampdown by Netflix has been "successful" and I now can't access Netflix USA using unblock-us. This happened halfway through watching House of Cards. So my choice was either stop watching or do…

This blows my mind. How on earth does Netflix not have the rights to show their own show in Switzerland? I understand their hands are sometimes tied in getting content from the studios, but they own House of Cards... I'm so confused how they could end up in that situation...

Because Netflix (or other companies) just simply do not have the resources to manage the duty of distributing content all over the world. Hence, there exists regional distributors. Allocating duties to those regional distributors means that you'll need to sign a contract that gives those distributors special rights.

Re: After Netflix crackdown on border-hopping, Canadians ready to return to piracy

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You keep confusing "being entitled to content" and "being entitled to equal and non-discriminatory treatment". Do you understand the difference?

Does the right to equal treatment mean the seller must charge the same price to everyone? For example, must the price to stream the latest James Bond movie be the same in India as the United States?

A trick question. Theoretically, I don't know.

Pragmatically, though, it is not a big deal. Here in Switzerland, I am content to pay 2x price for the same content as in the US — we have to support our reputation as the most expensive country on Earth, after all :) In India, one can attempt to sell software and content for the same price as in US, but it won't generate any sales. The pragmatic option is to sell Indian-localized software for low price, and English versions for original price, which is already working perfectly well for software and everyone is happy. Both me and an Indian girl can buy any US-made software. At least it was possible when the software was downloaded or delivered physically — software in app stores are becoming subject to the same shitty policies as the rest of digital content.

The world is becoming increasingly global, but policymakers and copyright holders try to isolate us in nation state borders.

Re: After Netflix crackdown on border-hopping, Canadians ready to return to piracy

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I am not blaming Netflix. I even don't blame corporations holding the copyright, as they'd also want to sell as much as possible. I blame international copyright law, which at this point amounts to outright discrimination, not unlike racial discrimination laws some decades ago. If history is any teacher, it is impossible to fight immoral discriminatory laws legally. Peaceful protest works much better. So, go pirate,…

Copyright law is so unbelievably out of touch with reality that is difficult to understand how we got into this mess. We have evolved to have perfect memories and instant access to information through the invention of personal computing devices and the internet and yet laws are attempting the suppress the impact that these inventions have so that the people with wealth can continue to gain more wealth. The best inter…

Public good is elusive, but I want at least free competitive market. There isn't any in digital copyright.
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