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MakerBot Is Outsourcing Its Brooklyn Manufacturing Jobs to China

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Re: MakerBot Is Outsourcing Its Brooklyn Manufacturing Jobs to China

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There are some comments here about the difficulty competing with Chinese knockoffs, but there are many small companies making high quality 3D printers, and they have good reputations: Ultimaker. Printrbot. E3D BigBox. Makergear. There are probably many others too that have been around for years but I'm not really plugged in.

Thomas Sanladerer on youtube is a good source of information, and reprap.org, if you're shopping.

Re: MakerBot Is Outsourcing Its Brooklyn Manufacturing Jobs to China

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Moving to China means more communication effort and more coordination which can really hurt your business if you do it bad upfront. Same reason why enterprise usually hires consultants rather than hiring everyone as full-time under their paycheck even though the enterprise itself has to pay more money to the consulting company: enterprise doesn't need to pay for health benefit, bonus and even travel expense; pay a premium for a package. Of course, a smart enterprise talent management should turn consultants into full time over time if when the consultants are critical for the growth of a given project...

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Caveat Emptor. If you can't fork you aren't free. The Makerbot rose up from a spirit of sharing and community goodwill, made money and employed local Brooklyites - so it was a flagship for the sharing economy and open hardware. Now there is an impression that they closed it off. Make4rbot was bought by the holder of a patent for the sintering 3D printing technology, seen as an impediment to this useful methods commun…

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Re: MakerBot Is Outsourcing Its Brooklyn Manufacturing Jobs to China

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Caveat Emptor. If you can't fork you aren't free. The Makerbot rose up from a spirit of sharing and community goodwill, made money and employed local Brooklyites - so it was a flagship for the sharing economy and open hardware. Now there is an impression that they closed it off. Make4rbot was bought by the holder of a patent for the sintering 3D printing technology, seen as an impediment to this useful methods commun…

beautifully said. it's possible, but it's easier to sell out than it is to not sell out. and selling out has lost its stigma

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Time to find a 'Made in America' 3d-Printer for my next fabricator

The Mendelmax 3 & Fusematic from Makers Tool Works are built in the USA and sourced from US suppliers. The guy behind it has done more for the RepRap mechanical bits, aside from Joeseph Prusa.

The Lulzbot mentioned below was based on the Mendelmax 1.5. This line of printers moved RepRap from a threaded rod construction to extruded aluminum. Also the first to have linear rails instead of steel rod+linear bearings. The new Mendelmax3 is a mix of laser cut parts and extrusions - and has required less service than any of my printers to date.

Re: MakerBot Is Outsourcing Its Brooklyn Manufacturing Jobs to China

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A lot of people wonder why large companies can't just stay in the US and compete on quality, and here is a great case for why. It doesn't matter how great your workers are, you can't sell a product for $3,000 when others are selling it for $600. Especially when it's a technology still in development. And I know we pay extra for the warm and fuzzies knowing that something is made in the states, but I'm sure the home t…

I often wonder if costs could be lowered for many of these companies if they would stop locating in some of the country's most expensive places to operate and for their employees to live. I know the arguments about workforce availability and all that, but I've never seen a proper look into it.

That's crazy talk. You must be located in Silicon Valley or Shenzen, nowhere inbetween. /s

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> Open hardware doesn't really seem to be a sustainable business Neither does open source software tbh.

It seems to be, at best, something you try and use as a value add to your real service like DB consulting.

Why not make your real service on-site repair? That's less outsourceable than consulting, even.

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If Middle America wants those jobs, Middle Americans are welcome to start a fashion label of their own. But since they seem to thrive on blandness in the Midwest I doubt that's going to happen.

That was condescending. Let's try not to make generalization about a large portion of the country.

I understand the tone may be a little off putting but that is very true. The culture of much of middle America shames dreamers and free thinkers as opposed to working long hours and maximizing profit.

That culture is causing a serious brain drain and more importantly a hard ceiling on how far a brand can reach into the unknown. Its the difference between capturing the imaginations of consumers all over the world as opposed to simply trying to scale into some generic chain store or big box retail product.

Re: MakerBot Is Outsourcing Its Brooklyn Manufacturing Jobs to China

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They tried. And the result is that as they got press and notoriety people took their open plans and made replicas in China and sold them at a cost that massively undercut MB. If they had stayed open source they would have gone under years ago, probably years before Systrays bought them. Open hardware doesn't really seem to be a sustainable business, at least not when what you're making costs as much as a 3D printer.…

> Open hardware doesn't really seem to be a sustainable business Neither does open source software tbh.

Open source software is a sustainable business in that you use it to foster a consulting business. Write something that fills a commercial need but is complex to configure, open source it, and then sell tech support to the users that tried to set up your system, sunk costs into it, then realised they were out of their depth.

Open hardware works similarly in that you offer your design and then sell a reference build of it. There will always be some percentage of users who are attracted by the fact that it's 'free' but just want the finished product and don't care about building it themselves.

It's a viable business model, it just doesn't scale the way closed-source scales. It only works when you're selling something new that hasn't been mega-mass-produced and commoditised yet. If you want to design something once then churn out millions of units, don't open-source your design.

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