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After Netflix crackdown on border-hopping, Canadians ready to return to piracy

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Re: After Netflix crackdown on border-hopping, Canadians ready to return to piracy

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Regardless of whatever moral card you want to play here, the fact of the matter boils down to Gabe Newell's famous insight on the matter: Piracy is almost always a service problem[0]. People value their time. Make the experience easy for them, and people will pay. Make the experience shitty for them, and people will find the path of least resistance. People pay taxes because they have to. When it comes to entertainme…

It might be true of first world. I do not think that in poor countries like India where 100s of millions live on less that ~2 dollar a day any service could be cheaper than piracy. And I have seen people in India jump through hoops to pirate content rather than paying even a little for convenience. Gabe Newell's observation seems to me a very limited view of the world by a spectacularly successful first world entrepr…

Odd that it seems to work, though. How much money does Steam make from people who could be getting the content for free?

Re: After Netflix crackdown on border-hopping, Canadians ready to return to piracy

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This blows my mind. How on earth does Netflix not have the rights to show their own show in Switzerland? I understand their hands are sometimes tied in getting content from the studios, but they own House of Cards... I'm so confused how they could end up in that situation...

> How on earth does Netflix not have the rights to show their own show in Switzerland? One often-overlooked point is soundtracks. This is why there's no official Cold Case DVD/BD set - it would be prohibitively expensive to license all the music for distribution outside of TV.

Same thing with "Wonder Years" it's all about licensing... hell "Daria" had to replace significant portions of the music (thankfully they had the original separate tracks to work from).

Re: After Netflix crackdown on border-hopping, Canadians ready to return to piracy

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You keep confusing "being entitled to content" and "being entitled to equal and non-discriminatory treatment". Do you understand the difference?

No, thats not at all what it is. There are regulatory and legal reasons why netflix content (even specific content) isnt available everywhere. Its not discriminatory. Its simple entitlement. Don't try to confuse the issue by making it about some kind of discriminatory issue. A business has to have licences to operate in a country, there are many stipulations and there is a cost involved with those stipulations, netfl…

And Netflix and your AAA-titles-producing company both have no moral right to legally harass people who can't possibly buy your things and have to copy them for free, of course. What "damage" they are bringing to you, if you can't get any money from them anyway?

Re: After Netflix crackdown on border-hopping, Canadians ready to return to piracy

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You keep confusing "being entitled to content" and "being entitled to equal and non-discriminatory treatment". Do you understand the difference?

No, thats not at all what it is. There are regulatory and legal reasons why netflix content (even specific content) isnt available everywhere. Its not discriminatory. Its simple entitlement. Don't try to confuse the issue by making it about some kind of discriminatory issue. A business has to have licences to operate in a country, there are many stipulations and there is a cost involved with those stipulations, netfl…

"have to copy them for free"

Man, i didnt realize they HAD to copy them... i swear they have the option to just not watch.

Oh, but again, they feel entitled to watch.

Re: After Netflix crackdown on border-hopping, Canadians ready to return to piracy

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No, thats not at all what it is. There are regulatory and legal reasons why netflix content (even specific content) isnt available everywhere. Its not discriminatory. Its simple entitlement. Don't try to confuse the issue by making it about some kind of discriminatory issue. A business has to have licences to operate in a country, there are many stipulations and there is a cost involved with those stipulations, netfl…

"have to copy them for free" Man, i didnt realize they HAD to copy them... i swear they have the option to just not watch. Oh, but again, they feel entitled to watch.

Yes, and African Americans had the option of not visiting "white only" restaurants. Do you see any difference here? Because I don't.

Re: After Netflix crackdown on border-hopping, Canadians ready to return to piracy

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"have to copy them for free" Man, i didnt realize they HAD to copy them... i swear they have the option to just not watch. Oh, but again, they feel entitled to watch.

Yes, and African Americans had the option of not visiting "white only" restaurants. Do you see any difference here? Because I don't.

Yes, there is a huge difference.

I bet people like Rosa Parks, MLK, etc... people who paid dearly for Equal rights would be so upset that you've lowered the meaning of that word to simple movies...

Being treated differently, being cast aside and being held back from success because of your race, that you cant change, that you had no control of aquiring - is nowhere near not being able to watch a movie because of legal restrictions of where you live. How do you possibly consider those things even remotely similar?

Re: After Netflix crackdown on border-hopping, Canadians ready to return to piracy

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Yes, and African Americans had the option of not visiting "white only" restaurants. Do you see any difference here? Because I don't.

Yes, there is a huge difference. I bet people like Rosa Parks, MLK, etc... people who paid dearly for Equal rights would be so upset that you've lowered the meaning of that word to simple movies... Being treated differently, being cast aside and being held back from success because of your race, that you cant change, that you had no control of aquiring - is nowhere near not being able to watch a movie because of lega…

Rosa Parks couldn't ride the bus based on the color of her skin.

In fact, there were sit-ins in "white only" movie theaters, because some people weren't accepted here even if they were able to pay. It's not that they didn't have the option to just not watch the movie, right?

Back then, white people were responding to just accusations exactly the same way — "come on, it's _just_ the bus ride! it's just the movie! what's the big deal?"

I can't easily come to live where I want — visa issues. This is discrimination by nationality, exactly the same as discrimination by skin color. And part of this big discrimination is my inability to watch the movie based on the place where I live.

Re: After Netflix crackdown on border-hopping, Canadians ready to return to piracy

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Simple: They sold exclusive rights in quite a few countries to TV networks before they expanded there.

Not disagreeing, but it still seems odd as the Netflix Original Content is the big carrot to get people hooked into their ecosystem.

Just because something is "Netflix Original Content" in one country doesn't mean it's "Netflix Original Content" in another. For example "The 100" is "Netflix Original Content" in Canada but in the US it's not -- it's distributed by some TV network.

Re: After Netflix crackdown on border-hopping, Canadians ready to return to piracy

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No, she doesn't understand why. Maybe you can enlighten us. She used to pay hard cash for access to Netflix (the US version), and watched US content legally. Now she's being prevented from that. If the content creator doesn't want to sell access to the content for you, then you have every right to access it through other means. They never had to cut off access to these non-US customers: they were paying good money fo…

She used to pay hard cash for access to Netflix (the US version), and watched US content legally. The article says "For about a year, Lorenz subscribed to Netflix Canada, but her family freely accessed the streaming service's shows from across the globe." The change discussed is that a subscriber in one country is no longer allowed access to the catalog of another country when accessing from a proxy IP in that countr…

No, sorry if I got the details slightly wrong, but the issue is the same: should people from country A be able to set up an account in country B, and then watch the shows in country B's market (over a VPN)? Usually, it's non-US people wanting to get access to the US version of Netflix, but obviously there's other cases too since every country will have a different catalog and different people have different tastes.

Re: After Netflix crackdown on border-hopping, Canadians ready to return to piracy

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Putting a wire or a signal across a border doesn't change content licensing between businesses operating in different countries. We wish it did but it doesn't.

The internet is a global connection where the concept of "countries" don't even make sense. They only exist on the internet, because we put them there. Packets don't magically change when they cross borders, why should the content?

The concept of countries makes sense legally and practically when it comes to licensing content. That's not netflix's fault.
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