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The Best Linux Distros of 2016

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Re: The Best Linux Distros of 2016

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Using Xubuntu on all my machines except the dreaded OSX laptop at work (and well the Pis). Also converted my parents over to Xubuntu. I used to tinker with distros a lot, went through LFS etc...but over the last couple of years I have basically been a rather simplistic consumer. I'm even on LTS now and only occasionally poke ahead of the schedule. Come to think of it I haven't even customized a kernel in >1 year now. I've sepnd a decent amount of time with the BSDs, most noteably OpenBSD (the Powerbook G4 that I haven't used in ages still has it installed)

It's strange to look back. It's both good and bad. Qubes OS is the one OS I might tinker with in the near future but other than that I'm a consumer now.

Re: The Best Linux Distros of 2016

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Surprised not to see Fedora at the top of the list. Fedora 23 is remarkably stable, great UI, easy to maintain, and can be upgraded in-place to the next version using the new upgrade tool, no more reinstalls.

Fedora is too uncool for a list like this.

I agree with you though. I got fed up with Ubuntu and switched over to Fedora a few months ago and have been pleasantly surprised at how well it works now. The Fedora team is even willing to fix stupid obvious bugs so I actually have my zsh manpages now and gmplayer works.

Re: The Best Linux Distros of 2016

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Ubuntu Mate is my favorite distro... but I run the i3 tiling window manager over it. I don't know if I'd use it or not, but I'd like to see an attempt to make an ubuntu or debian based distro centered around a tiling window manager(preferably i3). From my experience, i3 provides to the desktop what tabbing provides to browsers. One thing I like about tiling WM is that there is not "native" GUI so there can't be any s…

I would love to see this as well.

Re: The Best Linux Distros of 2016

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>Linux Mint Cinnamon is the best operating system for desktops and powerful laptops. I will go as far as calling it the Mac OS X of the Linux world. Honestly, I had not been a huge fan of Linux Mint for a long time because of unstable Cinnamon. But, as soon as the developers chose to use LTS as the base, the distro has become incredibly stable. Because the developers don’t have to spend much time worrying about keepi…

> ...over more modern ones.

No, for many of us it is not about modern.

I love modern. Ubuntus problem is they copied a bunch of Mac-isms for what seems to be no good reason.

Now hear me out: I almost love Apple, I just cannot get myself to use their products (OK, did, three years, was happy to get a PC again) and there are a lot of things that should be learned from Mac. Out-of-the-box experience etc.

Other Mac-isms are just bad IMO like inconsistent keyboard shortcuts, Alt-Tab that is not a consistent stack etc.

Ubuntu copied the dock, moved Window control to the left, messed with the menus and Alt-Tab all while delivering a less impressing OOTB experience (IIRC).

Re: The Best Linux Distros of 2016

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The funny thing to me is that arch ~2016 is gentoo ~2004. The claims about how great arch is are almost word for word what people used to say about gentoo.

Except not at all because one is all about compiling for speed and tweaking cflags. The other is about a rolling release as better desktop distro model. Sure both distributions let you build your system from scratch but the days upon days of compiling just to slightly optimize a binary is squarely a gentooism.

That isn't what gentoo was "all about" at all -- certainly there were ricers who claimed that as an advantage. The main innovation was the much-improved customizability of each package (USE flags), something I would note Arch still does not have. There were ancillary benefits of being a source distro like interesting cross compiling use cases.

full disclosure: used to be a gentoo dev / am currently an Exherbo (rolling release/source distro) Dev.

Re: The Best Linux Distros of 2016

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Surprised not to see Fedora at the top of the list. Fedora 23 is remarkably stable, great UI, easy to maintain, and can be upgraded in-place to the next version using the new upgrade tool, no more reinstalls.

Fedora is too uncool for a list like this. I agree with you though. I got fed up with Ubuntu and switched over to Fedora a few months ago and have been pleasantly surprised at how well it works now. The Fedora team is even willing to fix stupid obvious bugs so I actually have my zsh manpages now and gmplayer works.

I consider myself a fairly technical user and I gave up on Fedora after it broke down in two releases after another. IIRC Distrowatch had the same experience around that time.

I like the idea, I just haven't taken time to go back and try again since then, and other distros have stepped up so I didn't have to either.

Maybe the author has had similar experiences that might have affected the choices?

Re: The Best Linux Distros of 2016

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The funny thing to me is that arch ~2016 is gentoo ~2004. The claims about how great arch is are almost word for word what people used to say about gentoo.

Except not at all because one is all about compiling for speed and tweaking cflags. The other is about a rolling release as better desktop distro model. Sure both distributions let you build your system from scratch but the days upon days of compiling just to slightly optimize a binary is squarely a gentooism.

Oh? Let's replace "Arch" with "Gentoo" in the article and see if these claims sound familiar:

Gentoo Linux is a great distro for those who want to learn everything about Linux. Because you have to install everything manually, you learn all the bits and pieces of a Linux-based operating system.

Gentoo is the most customizable distribution.

Gentoo also one of the best rolling releases. It’s always updated. Users always run the latest packages.

Gentoo is also known for having excellent documentation. The Gentoo Wiki is my to-go resource for everything Linux related.

What I like the most about Gentoo is that is offers almost every package and software that’s available for “any” Linux distribution

Re: The Best Linux Distros of 2016

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Most interesting Linux Distro in 2016: Ubuntu on Windows 10 (UbuNTu) This has already massively improved my productivity in writing cross-platform C++ code.

Yeah, just like Linux except when it's not. It's useful for folks forced to use Windows because of regulations, but definitely not preferred over a real Linux distribution.

Re: The Best Linux Distros of 2016

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post #5

Surprised not to see Fedora at the top of the list. Fedora 23 is remarkably stable, great UI, easy to maintain, and can be upgraded in-place to the next version using the new upgrade tool, no more reinstalls.

I always come back to Fedora. I started using Linux in 1995ish, after not quite a year using Windows 95 (which I'd switched to from an Amiga 3000). Soon found my way to Red Hat Linux (which became Fedora). It's mostly been my desktop and laptop OS of choice for that entire time. I'm tried others, I'm familiar with others, due to supporting many other distros over the years. But, Fedora always seems to hit the sweet spot for stability, Open Source fidelity and contribution to moving the state of the art forward, ease of use, package selection and modernity, and the Just Works factor is historically very high (even without adding binary blob repositories, but some drivers have needed to come from third party repos over the years).

yum (now dnf, which is a name I hate) is also my favorite of the mainstream package managers. It nearly perfectly balances ease of use with advanced capabilities, and maintaining private repos is an absolute dream (stick signed packages in a directory on a web server, run createrepo; repository is done!), compared to anything else. apt is a great, but managing repos for it is just awful (though I haven't had a chance to try aptly, which appears to potentially resolve this issue, though it still seems to be vastly more complex than createrepo).

So, yeah, Fedora remains my favorite, through many years and many attempts using other distros. I've flirted with Ubuntu a few times, going so far as having it as my primary laptop OS for a while. Partly it was because of the popularity of it; it's sometimes easier to install stuff on Ubuntu because the developers are more likely to be using Ubuntu. But, it's not worth the other trade offs, to me.

Also, I like that Fedora ships a close to stock, very clean, version of the most recent Gnome desktop. It feels very nicely integrated, while some of the alternative desktop variants feel bolted together from different pieces. Lots of folks seem to want to revert to the old 2.0 style Gnome, but I don't dislike modern Gnome (except that it has some awful quirks for multiple displays, where both displays do the shrink-and-dim thing, which is terrible for use with projections, presentations, watching movies, etc.).

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