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New body armour promises to transform fighting sports

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Re: New body armour promises to transform fighting sports

#41
So like football, you can gird your loins so that your loins can be exploded by even harder impact. This is insanity.

The only way to make "fighting sports" safe is to ban hits to damage-prone areas of the body. But the organizing body's in those sports are unwilling to go far enough - apparently we want, nay, _need_ to see blood, spit, injury and yes, death in our "fighting sports".

Re: New body armour promises to transform fighting sports

#42
post #23

I like the idea of using real-time cgi to render shiny suits of armour and the consequence of "hits". As grim as watching decapitation might be, I expect the ratings would be huge.

> As grim as watching decapitation might be, I expect the ratings would be huge. I don't recommend watching it. Someone I know posted an ISIS (or similar) video on Facebook, which popped up into my feed while I was doing something on the other monitor, and it auto-played. By the time I realized that it wasn't fake (it wasn't a clean, axe-lop decapitation, but rather done via sawing away with what appeared to be a cam…

To be fair, CGI decapitation is a totally different story. Even really grisly "well-done" deaths aren't that disturbing to many people when they're not real.

Re: New body armour promises to transform fighting sports

#43
post #9

Having done some SCA heavy, those open inner thighs make me twitch (armpits too, but less could be done about that). One thing SCA has figured out that the sports industry seems to have failed to is how helms work. It turns out the best way to extend the reduce the impact of hits to the head is NOT cushioning or crumpling to extend impulse but rather just having a lot of mass to move. I've been smashed over the head…

I don't think it is a matter of not understanding how armor works. It is more a matter of the energy and precision required for martial arts. I've done some SCA fighting, but mostly spent 20 years practicing kung fu, and they are completely different worlds.

Re: New body armour promises to transform fighting sports

#44
post #29
post #9

Having done some SCA heavy, those open inner thighs make me twitch (armpits too, but less could be done about that). One thing SCA has figured out that the sports industry seems to have failed to is how helms work. It turns out the best way to extend the reduce the impact of hits to the head is NOT cushioning or crumpling to extend impulse but rather just having a lot of mass to move. I've been smashed over the head…

> watch SCA heavy Holy shit, these guys don't fuck around https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RiQR60-5gs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj_3vYo2gF0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9tkAV4nDCo

Re: New body armour promises to transform fighting sports

#45
post #29
post #9

Having done some SCA heavy, those open inner thighs make me twitch (armpits too, but less could be done about that). One thing SCA has figured out that the sports industry seems to have failed to is how helms work. It turns out the best way to extend the reduce the impact of hits to the head is NOT cushioning or crumpling to extend impulse but rather just having a lot of mass to move. I've been smashed over the head…

> watch SCA heavy Holy shit, these guys don't fuck around https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RiQR60-5gs

IMO nothing compares with longsword fighting. By comparison, SCA looks like a bunch of big guys wailing on each other in the middle of a scrum. Longsword fighting has a much more competitive environment with well defined technique and strategy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhbcntqyiSo

Re: New body armour promises to transform fighting sports

#46
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I'm not mistaken plate armour wasn't all that great against blunt weapons though, since it probably does not distribute the impact very well. Whereas I'd suspect this kevlar armour to basically swallow those punches over a larger area, no?

No personal armor (so far) is good against blunt trauma. The reason for that is conservation of momentum. Blunt weapons often rely on large amount of momentum. Only thing you can do is to make the armor bouncy. So you can try to turn it into elastic collision. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elastic_collision But then again they often added small spikes and rough surfaces to the tips of such weapons, to turn it into in…

So morning star would be the weapon of choice there I suppose. Sword may win "by points" but with morning star you'd have a solid chance of actually neutralizing opponent.

Re: New body armour promises to transform fighting sports

#47
post #29
post #9

Having done some SCA heavy, those open inner thighs make me twitch (armpits too, but less could be done about that). One thing SCA has figured out that the sports industry seems to have failed to is how helms work. It turns out the best way to extend the reduce the impact of hits to the head is NOT cushioning or crumpling to extend impulse but rather just having a lot of mass to move. I've been smashed over the head…

> watch SCA heavy Holy shit, these guys don't fuck around https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RiQR60-5gs

I like this dramatic videos from Russian Vyborg castle, I wonder if they still organize these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOCBOs6EzLk

Re: New body armour promises to transform fighting sports

#48
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> watch SCA heavy Holy shit, these guys don't fuck around https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RiQR60-5gs

IMO nothing compares with longsword fighting. By comparison, SCA looks like a bunch of big guys wailing on each other in the middle of a scrum. Longsword fighting has a much more competitive environment with well defined technique and strategy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhbcntqyiSo

"...bunch of big guys wailing on each other..."

Add in death and dismemberment and you have what war actually probably looked like for thousands of years - pure, unadulterated mayhem.

Re: New body armour promises to transform fighting sports

#49
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the issue there is the joints, right? As far as I know, they were either exposed completely, like at the shoulder, or not flexible enough for fast-paced combat.

Yes, I believe the joints were usually weak points. Swords-people used a technique known as half-handing, where they'd keep one hand on the hilt, and use the other hand to grip near the tip of the blade. That allowed them to use the sword more like a dagger, which gave better accuracy for maneuvering into the joint, while also giving them greater leverage with the hilt-hand. I was surprised that you can grip a blade…

You are not gripping the blade bear-handed: you would usually be wearing some kind of glove.

Re: New body armour promises to transform fighting sports

#50
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> watch SCA heavy Holy shit, these guys don't fuck around https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RiQR60-5gs

IMO nothing compares with longsword fighting. By comparison, SCA looks like a bunch of big guys wailing on each other in the middle of a scrum. Longsword fighting has a much more competitive environment with well defined technique and strategy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhbcntqyiSo

That's just fencing with a heavy object.

Actual sword fighting had a mix of stiles to deal with different armor types. But, maintaining balance was critical and bouncing like that a waste of energy and a good way to end up on the ground and hacked to pieces. They also often held the blade for leverage.

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