5,000 Developers Talk About Their Salaries
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5,000 Developers Talk About Their Salaries
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#2On that pay gap...
I've noticed over the years that the SQA teams tend to have more women as a percentage than development teams[1]. And, SQA tends to pay less than, say, full stack roles[2].
Again, it is not scientific, but the difference in populations of women in a lower paying role seems to explain some of the pay difference. Perhaps the research needs to be more granular.
Is there anything to this, or have I just not seen enough organizations? And then even if true, there is still the question of causation. Why is there an apparent affinity for women in SQA roles over standard developer roles?
[1] Not scientific, but search LinkedIn for Title: SQA. 10 of first 20 hits appear to be women in my search. Then search Title: Full Stack. 0 of 20 are women in my search.
[2] salary.com:
Software Quality Assurance Analyst II, Mountain View, Ca: $83,362
Software Engineer II, Mountain View, Ca: $95,881
Re: 5,000 Developers Talk About Their Salaries
#3If you want to prove the pay gap with data, at least do it correctly. You need to control for things like:
1) Experience
2) Education
3) Number of hours worked
4) Negotiation skills + actual attempts to negotiate the pay
5) Taking risks
Pretty much every study that did that arrived to the same conclusion - there's no pay gap. We have men who work more, have better education, more experience, work longer hours, negotiate better and more often, and take on risky projects more often.
If women developers were cheaper and just as effective, wouldn't you just hire women?
Re: 5,000 Developers Talk About Their Salaries
#4If you want to prove the pay gap with data, at least do it correctly. You need to control for things like: 1) Experience 2) Education 3) Number of hours worked 4) Negotiation skills + actual attempts to negotiate the pay 5) Taking risks Pretty much every study that did that arrived to the same conclusion - there's no pay gap. We have men who work more, have better education, more experience, work longer hours, negoti…
[citation needed]
I've seen at least 1 study that showed controlling for those factors (and many others) reduces, but doesn't come close to eliminating the pay gap. Iirc, there's still ~7% unaccounted for.
I believe it's a widely held misconception that pay discrimination doesn't exist.
Re: 5,000 Developers Talk About Their Salaries
#5If you want to prove the pay gap with data, at least do it correctly. You need to control for things like: 1) Experience 2) Education 3) Number of hours worked 4) Negotiation skills + actual attempts to negotiate the pay 5) Taking risks Pretty much every study that did that arrived to the same conclusion - there's no pay gap. We have men who work more, have better education, more experience, work longer hours, negoti…
[citation needed] I've seen at least 1 study that showed controlling for those factors (and many others) reduces, but doesn't come close to eliminating the pay gap. Iirc, there's still ~7% unaccounted for. I believe it's a widely held misconception that pay discrimination doesn't exist.
It's your job to prove that there's a gap attributed to gender, specifically. Good luck showing us even one such study.
When PayScale did their study, they controlled for some of the obvious factors, and the gap pretty much disappeared. They obviously didn't control for everything.
http://www.payscale.com/gender-lifetime-earnings-gap
You can also find a niche in which men or women make more, that's inevitable, just due to the randomness of the salaries. I'm yet to see any evidence for the systemic discrimination.