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Bill Gates' Philanthropic Impact Put in Perspective

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Re: Bill Gates' Philanthropic Impact Put in Perspective

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Bill Gates was a tough competitor, to be sure, and you had to bring your A game when dealing with Microsoft. But the complaints that he was 'evil', when you drill down to see what the actual complaint is, just seem to fade away. Most of it seems to be simply envy.

See "In Search of Stupidity" by Chapman.

P.S. I was in the industry throughout that era, and competed directly against Microsoft in programming languages.

Re: Bill Gates' Philanthropic Impact Put in Perspective

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Before you lionize a convicted monopolist ... 1) The USA tax code encourages wealthy people to create foundations. The money in the foundation is still controlled by them and has tax benefits. 2) In other countries, wealthy people are taxed to provide social services like education and healthcare. In the USA, they're not - the capital gains rate of 15% is basically a round-off error compared to 90% last century. 3) F…

"Convicted monopolist" really doesn't have much of a ring to it.

Especially when the only thing his company was ever found guilty of was bundling a web browser with the OS...

Re: Bill Gates' Philanthropic Impact Put in Perspective

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If you put aside the "M$ was evil and he is just atoning" arguments, Gates is a huge inspiration, at least for me. This guy finds problems that he's passionate about and attacks them with such ferocity that it is truly awe inspiring. I'm mildly embarrassed to admit it, but he was my childhood hero through the 90's. Even later when everyone thought Jobs was the bee's knees, I wanted to be as effective as Gates.

Even if Microsoft was evil, Gates is still an inspiration to me.

Re: Bill Gates' Philanthropic Impact Put in Perspective

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Before you lionize a convicted monopolist ... 1) The USA tax code encourages wealthy people to create foundations. The money in the foundation is still controlled by them and has tax benefits. 2) In other countries, wealthy people are taxed to provide social services like education and healthcare. In the USA, they're not - the capital gains rate of 15% is basically a round-off error compared to 90% last century. 3) F…

People fail to understand the difference between innovation driven monopoly and government enforced monopoly.

The former is commendable, indicating that a company has developed a product so useful that it becomes so widely adopted as to become a monopoly. Nobody is forced to buy the product - people just find it so useful that the it dominates in the marketplace. And there is nothing preventing the rise of a competitor other than the monopolist's success. Got enough smarts and money to beat them? Then go for it.

That's quite different than when a company uses regulatory capture to get regulations passed that maintain their monopoly and block competitors.

Re: Bill Gates' Philanthropic Impact Put in Perspective

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Before you lionize a convicted monopolist ... 1) The USA tax code encourages wealthy people to create foundations. The money in the foundation is still controlled by them and has tax benefits. 2) In other countries, wealthy people are taxed to provide social services like education and healthcare. In the USA, they're not - the capital gains rate of 15% is basically a round-off error compared to 90% last century. 3) F…

True, and people tend to villify those they are envious of, or because they don't align with their views. Nobody is spotless, and if you think you are, your mirror is dirty. You can find bad about Jobs, Gates, Jesus, the Bible, the Quran, anything and anybody if you look hard enough. I think Gates is genuinely a decent human being, and does a lot of good; he puts his money where his mouth is. So there may be a million great souls who do not, or cannot contribute money or time. At least, whether you think ill of him or not, the effect is he has helped many, many people. You should weigh this against your accusations.

Re: Bill Gates' Philanthropic Impact Put in Perspective

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post #15

Before you lionize a convicted monopolist ... 1) The USA tax code encourages wealthy people to create foundations. The money in the foundation is still controlled by them and has tax benefits. 2) In other countries, wealthy people are taxed to provide social services like education and healthcare. In the USA, they're not - the capital gains rate of 15% is basically a round-off error compared to 90% last century. 3) F…

People fail to understand the difference between innovation driven monopoly and government enforced monopoly. The former is commendable, indicating that a company has developed a product so useful that it becomes so widely adopted as to become a monopoly. Nobody is forced to buy the product - people just find it so useful that the it dominates in the marketplace. And there is nothing preventing the rise of a competit…

I understand that, and I like the label of Corporatism when it is a big company colluding with the state, as opposed to Capitalism, which is for all its good and bad, better than the alternatives right now.

Re: Bill Gates' Philanthropic Impact Put in Perspective

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Before you lionize a convicted monopolist ... 1) The USA tax code encourages wealthy people to create foundations. The money in the foundation is still controlled by them and has tax benefits. 2) In other countries, wealthy people are taxed to provide social services like education and healthcare. In the USA, they're not - the capital gains rate of 15% is basically a round-off error compared to 90% last century. 3) F…

"Convicted monopolist" really doesn't have much of a ring to it. Especially when the only thing his company was ever found guilty of was bundling a web browser with the OS...

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Re: Bill Gates' Philanthropic Impact Put in Perspective

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Hey there, data geeks! I am doing research on the rise of social entrepreneurship and got sidetracked by what a badass Bill Gates is. I found out that his foundation is 4x larger than the next largest private foundation in the US. And if you add up the wealth pledged as a part of The Giving Pledge it is 10x larger than that. I compiled The Giving Pledge data on my own by researching net worths of each pledgee. Planni…

The Gates data is inspirational. Glad you put that in perspective.

However, we need to see more data on the impact of the Giving Pledge, and whether it has led to more giving. In your chart, the assumption is that this money is more than would have been given without the Pledge. Also, the comparison to amount pledged (most of which will eventually make its way into foundations that will spread the money on their own time schedules) with the amount donated in 2014 is not a telling comparison.

Consider, for example, my billionaire mother. Before she died, a couple of years ago, we discussed whether she should be joining The Giving Pledge. She decided she didn't want to be seen in the company of billionaires who had pledged to give away only 50% of their money. "Why would a billionaire want to keep half of their money, anyway? What could someone possibly do, personally, with half a billion dollars? I don't want to join a group like that!"

To understand the impact of The Giving Pledge we'd need to know how much would have been given without the pledge? Does the Pledge provide peer pressure to give away more than they would have otherwise given? Or does this pledge lead to less giving, because it makes billionaires feel that it's morally OK to give away just 50%? Do you have the comparison data to answer these questions?

Re: Bill Gates' Philanthropic Impact Put in Perspective

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The size of the Gates Foundation is only impressive if you believe public policy should be disproportionately influenced by the whims of a few rich individuals. Philanthropists may not be motivated by profit like lobbyists, but that doesn't mean they understand the needs of the people any better. For issues related to relatively concrete sciences like medicine this matters less. But in areas such as education for example, the role of the Gates foundation has been disastrous.

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/25/how-the-gates-foundation...

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