The average size of Web pages is now the average size of a Doom install

Post by JoshTriplett » Fri, Apr 22, 2016, 7:04 PM UTC

kevincox wrote: post #73

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I would say that a possible solution is also to better rank websites that mention the checksums of their external resources and make web browsers keep them in cache much longer... if pretty much every website uses jQuery, perhaps we should ship jQuery with the web browser?

I hear this argument a lot, and I very much disagree. Now you have browser vendors having to device which libraries are "popular" and shipping them in the initial download of the browser. It turns out that this technology already exists in a much better form. It's called cache. The problem is that almost everyone hosts their own version of jQuery. If everyone simply linked the "canonical" version of jQuery (the CDN l…

Post by VeejayRampay » Fri, Apr 22, 2016, 7:10 PM UTC

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Well, not that adding the whole of underscore.js is reasonable, but maybe if Javascript had provided proper enumeration of their data structures earlier like all decent programming languages do, that wouldn't be an issue. To this day, you still can't enumerate an object literal, yielding each key/value pair. You still can't properly enumerate a NodeList and Object.values is still "experimental technology". I understa…

var obj = {...} // native JavaScript Object.keys(obj).forEach(function(key){ console.log('obj.', key, ' = ', obj[key]) }) // Lodash _.forEach(obj, function(value, key) { console.log('obj.', key, ' = ', value) }) Object.keys(obj) creates an array that contains the keys of the object, which makes it pretty trivial to call filter, map, reduce, etc. And getting the value from an object's key is also pretty straightforwar…

Post by lostgame » Fri, Apr 22, 2016, 7:17 PM UTC

d33 wrote: post #49

jessriedel wrote: post #15

I'm skeptical that developers talking to each other about how bad web bloat is will change anything. They will still face the same incentives in terms of ad revenue, costs of optimization, etc. Here's a random idea that might have more potential: create an adblocker browser plugin that also colors URLs based on how slow they are expected to load, e.g., smoothly from blue to red. The scores could be centrally calculat…

I would say that a possible solution is also to better rank websites that mention the checksums of their external resources and make web browsers keep them in cache much longer... if pretty much every website uses jQuery, perhaps we should ship jQuery with the web browser?

Post by tracker1 » Fri, Apr 22, 2016, 7:21 PM UTC

Joeri wrote: post #245

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I think a plugin that enables the chrome "regular 2G" throttling (developer tools / network tab), permanently, for anyone that works in marketing or web development might help :) Edit: Joking aside, that throttling feature is a nice easy way to let a dev team, or business counterpart, see what their site is like for say, a customer with a low-end DSL connection: https://developers.google.com/web/tools/chrome-devtools…

I have to think that the devs want to make the page lighter, but their managers keep pushing more tracking and ad networks at them that they're forced to integrate.

Post by qaq » Fri, Apr 22, 2016, 7:26 PM UTC