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How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm

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Re: How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm

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They talk about the influence of academics, and yet we (as a people) seem to successfully ignore things like global warming... I don't know if that explains it. We have, indeed, become a nation of wimps, with little common sense. We fear now, much more than we used to. When I was a kid, we feared the red menace (Communism), but that didn't stop us from moving forward, or adhering to our ideals. Our independent spirit…

It makes me wonder if lacking bigger problems to focus on dealing with (competing with the Soviets, overthrowing the Axis powers) is the reason people create these non-issues to fight about instead

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I made a very specific claim. The parent poster applied a label to that claim as if it somehow refutes the claim - I was merely disagreeing with this. I can easily provide reasoning for why study of flu (or other disease) is worth studying: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8369801 Can you do the same (or even provide a coherent definition of) systemic bias? If so, you may convince me it is worth studying. Im unco…

> Can you do the same (or even provide a coherent definition of) systemic bias? Easily! But just as your reasoning is completely dependent on an axiomatic value (death is bad), so is mine: That many people's freedom to cultivate, explore and express their talents is hindered by those in power (positive claim) is bad because freedom is good (normative claim), therefore we should study how those restrictions work so we…

Have you read the Dune series?

Re: How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm

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post #51
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a tyranny of the minority backed up by politicians, government appointees, and judges, all who realize their power by separating people into groups to play off each other. Each new victim class further increases the power of government, the loss of privacy, and worse the loss of community and seeds of distrust and anger are set to drive people into different camps. when the individual becomes so important that commun…

What minority in the US is currently given special treatment by the government? It certainly isn't black people. It certainly isn't Hispanics, or homosexuals, or transgender people. What are you talking about specifically?

Look at hiring practices and policies. By law, minorities, and women most certainly are given special treatment when it comes to government positions. As well as veterans, whom some may argue, have earned it.

Homosexuals and transgendered people are still too 'bleeding' edge to be classified as a 'protected' class. Give it 10 years and they likely will be.

Re: How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm

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Excellent piece here. Does a great job of demonstrating "concept creep" from both liberal and conservative ideologies, and of describing how we got to this situation in the first place. The bullet points towards the end summarize the article perfectly:

>“by applying concepts of abuse, bullying, and trauma to less severe and clearly defined actions and events, and by increasingly including subjective elements into them, concept creep may release a flood of unjustified accusations and litigation, as well as excessive and disproportionate enforcement regimes.”

>“...concept creep can produce a kind of semantic dilution. If a concept expands to encompass less extreme phenomena... then its prototypical meaning is likely to shift... If trauma, for example, ceases to refer exclusively to terrifying events that are outside normal human experience, and is applied to less severe and more prevalent stresses, it will come to be seen in a more benign light.”

>“...by increasing the range of people who are defined as moral patients—people worthy of moral concern, based on their perceived capacity to suffer and be harmed—it risks reducing the range of people who see themselves as capable of moral agency.” There is a tendency “for more and more people to see themselves as victims who are defined by their suffering, vulnerability, and innocence...The flip-side of this expanding sense of victimhood would be a typecast assortment of moral villains: abusers, bullies, bigots, and traumatizers.”

>Expanding mental disorder “can pathologize normal experiences, generate over-diagnosis and over-treatment, and engender a sense of diminished agency.”

Of all these, I find the tendency towards victimhood particularly troubling. We're seeing a generation of kids growing up blaming everyone but themselves for their problems, and demanding that someone else change to solve their problems instead of learning the resiliency needed to survive and thrive. Couple that with the tribalism of said victims setting one group against the other, and we're setting ourselves up for civil unrest in the near future.

Re: How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm

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post #146

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> Can you do the same (or even provide a coherent definition of) systemic bias? Easily! But just as your reasoning is completely dependent on an axiomatic value (death is bad), so is mine: That many people's freedom to cultivate, explore and express their talents is hindered by those in power (positive claim) is bad because freedom is good (normative claim), therefore we should study how those restrictions work so we…

Have you read the Dune series?

I read Dune many years ago and I think I remember reading another book that may have taken place in the same world, but I'm not sure. Why?

Re: How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm

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post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you read the Dune series?

I read Dune many years ago and I think I remember reading another book that may have taken place in the same world, but I'm not sure. Why?

The theme of the series is basically how societal power dynamics play out on a multi-millennial timescale. The author called the series Dune after he noticed that, from above, sand dunes form a wave pattern over the land, so suddenly something he had only thought about at a local level had much greater meaning from this higher perspective of time. Anyway I thought it seemed up your alley. The first novel is a classic but it just scrathes the surface thematically.

Re: How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm

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I did. How did I misrepresent it, and how am I overstating the results of the study I cited? How am I abusing the scientific method as a whole? When you make these grandiose claims it would have been nice to provide at least some form of accompanying argument, rather than just stating it as fact.

>> ... then we could simply focus at the moment of judgement (which btw, is also currently biased [1]) [1] being a link to Steinpreis/Anders/Ritzke (1999) > You're right that it's biased, but perhaps not in the way you think it is: http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360.abstract At risk of repeating myself... You've taken a study that looked specifically at tenure-track faculty hiring within four STEM subjects, i.e.…

(d) You are deeply embedded in an ideology and therefore not able to deal with facts in an unbiased way. Had the results of that study been the reverse, the study would have been fantastic since it is objectively much stronger than any of the studies you cited.
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