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Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

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post #14

Thankfully because there's no roaming in the EU, there's absolutely no other way to get an unregistered SIM card to work in Germany..

Presumably all european nations will harmonize in the next year or two and it will be a requirement to provide government identification prior to purchasing a data SIM.

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

#62
post #37

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In which ones? I have manu prepaid sims from all over Europe and the only one with a name on is an old italian one when they required it. Which i think they no longer do.

I had to show ID in Czech Republic, Hungaria, Ireland and Greece.

> Czech Republic

I have a czech prepaid sim, never had to show an ID for it.

> Hungaria

True, ID needed there.

> Ireland

I had an Irish Three Sim. No ID was needed.

> Greece

Looks like an ID is needed there from Googling.

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

#63
post #53

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> One election gone wrong is all it takes and all those data will be used for genocide. Again. I like to believe we are a bit further away from genocide than one election gone awry. 71 years passed, you know.

And? People aren't less manipulatable than their grandparents were. Just look at the recent election successes of the AfD.

This is a cheap smear. If you want to criticise the AfD - fine - but be specific and give your reasons.

I gather they object as I do, to Merkel's arrogant 2015 invitation to migrants which impinges on every person in the EU and particularly in the UK which is a honeypot for EU citizens (which migrants will be in a few years) earning less than the minimum wage.

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

#64
post #20

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I think these checks are probably already pretty common in other parts of the world. For at least the last three or four years in Australia there is a requirement to present Photo ID before buying a SIM card. I was quite surprised by this when I tried to buy a SIM at Sydney airport a few years ago. I have no idea what the government is doing with the data nor how it is protected. At the time, I just wanted a local SI…

> I think these checks are probably already pretty common in other parts of the world. Germany is a bit touchy when it comes to measures like this. After the experiences of the Nazi regime, even things like a census or introduction of a TIN met massive, years long resistance. One election gone wrong is all it takes and all those data will be used for genocide. Again.

> One election gone wrong is all it takes and all those data will be used for genocide. Again.

Because first they'll come for the contractless?

Why is it some people are incapable of discussing Germany without tiresomely invoking the Nazis?

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

#66
post #12

Is this so bad? I remember back in 2012 when I visited Berlin I had to register my SIM with my Belgian ID and address too. It only took a few minutes, it's not that much of a hassle. At the phone shop in Belgium where I work we were required to ask for a name and address too (but didn't check ID's for prepaid cards). I doubt this will solve much terrorism-wise though. You can't expect phone shops to verify the validi…

For me it's certainly bad. Terrorism isn't a real issue, it's an excuse for governments to take freedom from people. I want to be able to use phone and internet without being tracked by anyone.

This is exactly spot on.

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had to show ID in Czech Republic, Hungaria, Ireland and Greece.

> Czech Republic I have a czech prepaid sim, never had to show an ID for it. > Hungaria True, ID needed there. > Ireland I had an Irish Three Sim. No ID was needed. > Greece Looks like an ID is needed there from Googling.

I confirm: in Ireland you can buy a sim (I have a tesco mobile SIM) with no ID

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

#68
post #20

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> I think these checks are probably already pretty common in other parts of the world. Germany is a bit touchy when it comes to measures like this. After the experiences of the Nazi regime, even things like a census or introduction of a TIN met massive, years long resistance. One election gone wrong is all it takes and all those data will be used for genocide. Again.

> One election gone wrong is all it takes and all those data will be used for genocide. Again. I like to believe we are a bit further away from genocide than one election gone awry. 71 years passed, you know.

Probably a decade away, but Turkey is in the process of turning into a nondemocratic state, as is Hungary. Suppose the Syrian civil war spreads to Turkey (which already has its own ongoing conflict against its Kurdish minority). The collapse of Turkey would dump tens of millons more refugees into Germany. A few years of that and the people running on a platform of expelling Turks at gunpoint might start becoming popular.

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

#69
post #14

Thankfully because there's no roaming in the EU, there's absolutely no other way to get an unregistered SIM card to work in Germany..

Presumably all european nations will harmonize in the next year or two and it will be a requirement to provide government identification prior to purchasing a data SIM.

Why is that presumable?

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

#70
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One election gone wrong is all it takes and all those data will be used for genocide. Again. I like to believe we are a bit further away from genocide than one election gone awry. 71 years passed, you know.

Societies pass from peaceable to terrifying all the time, and it generally happens pretty quickly. Nobody ever seems to see it coming, although it's always obvious in hindsight to armchair analysts. It hasn't happened in one of the big powers in awhile, but 71 years isn't that long. It wouldn't be paradise the day before an election and hell the day after, but you never know what event will be pivotal. Until armchair…

Russia being a good example.
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