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Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

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Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

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Main points of the article: For purposes of terrorism prevention, the current German government wants to require sellers of SIM cards to check photo ID and ask for current address. If this happens, it will be (theoretically) impossible to own a German phone number that isn't connected to a name. The address data is supposed to be put into a searchable database allowing security officials to search for names even if t…

I think these checks are probably already pretty common in other parts of the world. For at least the last three or four years in Australia there is a requirement to present Photo ID before buying a SIM card. I was quite surprised by this when I tried to buy a SIM at Sydney airport a few years ago. I have no idea what the government is doing with the data nor how it is protected. At the time, I just wanted a local SI…

I think it is sort of pointless. You have free wifis pretty much everywhere now. You don't really need a SIM card to communicate - even by voice - with other people.

What will happen then? Starbuck will need to ask for your ID when you connect to their wifi? Russia is doing pretty much that with internet cafes.

These control freaks need to get over the idea that they will achieve electronically a level of government control which would be absolutely unacceptable in the physical world (the "I want you to report to the police who you talked to during the day and you also need to check their ID to ensure that your reports to the police are accurate", even the Soviet Union - or the Stasi - didn't go that far).

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

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Anon SIMs are already banned in many EU countries. It does not really work, some homeless people have thousands SIMs registered on their name.

Also opposition in Germany says this might be discriminatory to refugees, since some of them have no documents.

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think these checks are probably already pretty common in other parts of the world. For at least the last three or four years in Australia there is a requirement to present Photo ID before buying a SIM card. I was quite surprised by this when I tried to buy a SIM at Sydney airport a few years ago. I have no idea what the government is doing with the data nor how it is protected. At the time, I just wanted a local SI…

I think it is sort of pointless. You have free wifis pretty much everywhere now. You don't really need a SIM card to communicate - even by voice - with other people. What will happen then? Starbuck will need to ask for your ID when you connect to their wifi? Russia is doing pretty much that with internet cafes. These control freaks need to get over the idea that they will achieve electronically a level of government…

Free Wifis are a lot more scarce in Germany though.

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think these checks are probably already pretty common in other parts of the world. For at least the last three or four years in Australia there is a requirement to present Photo ID before buying a SIM card. I was quite surprised by this when I tried to buy a SIM at Sydney airport a few years ago. I have no idea what the government is doing with the data nor how it is protected. At the time, I just wanted a local SI…

> I think these checks are probably already pretty common in other parts of the world. Germany is a bit touchy when it comes to measures like this. After the experiences of the Nazi regime, even things like a census or introduction of a TIN met massive, years long resistance. One election gone wrong is all it takes and all those data will be used for genocide. Again.

FYI: the TIN is a unique number associated to each person living in Germany. New born babies are getting a TIN faster than most of the congratulation cards... It is issued by the tax authorities and as a foreigner living in Germany you also get one.

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

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This is terrible news. I wanted to get a sim card for Japan, but you can only get a pocket wifi device, which isn't so bad, but not as straightforward as swapping your sim out for a local sim as i do when in the states or malaysia.

That's not true. You just can't get a sim card with voice/SMS capability. Foreigners can get data only SIMs no problem, most airports will sell them (often out of a vending machine) e.g. https://t.iijmio.jp/en/

Given VOIP, what is the rationale of making this distinction?

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

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Main points of the article: For purposes of terrorism prevention, the current German government wants to require sellers of SIM cards to check photo ID and ask for current address. If this happens, it will be (theoretically) impossible to own a German phone number that isn't connected to a name. The address data is supposed to be put into a searchable database allowing security officials to search for names even if t…

Is there any detail regarding how the requirement will reduce terrorism?

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a good move. Whether it can solve terrorism issue or not that does not mean the government can't even try.

How would this solve terrorism?

I never said it will solve terrorism. I said it's a good thing that government is trying at least.

Re: Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German]

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Is this so bad? I remember back in 2012 when I visited Berlin I had to register my SIM with my Belgian ID and address too. It only took a few minutes, it's not that much of a hassle. At the phone shop in Belgium where I work we were required to ask for a name and address too (but didn't check ID's for prepaid cards). I doubt this will solve much terrorism-wise though. You can't expect phone shops to verify the validi…

If I'm really a bad guy, I just steal a bunch of SIM cards or entire phones.

This is another measure that endangers the innocent and still does nothing to stop the baddies.

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