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Three teen sisters who win medals in coding competitions

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Re: Three teen sisters who win medals in coding competitions

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> The three sisters live in Georgia, a European country [...] ... Georgia is not a European country! Stereotypical American author confirmed (no clue of geography / politics outside of the US). Next time please take a look at a map before writing a blog post.

And were would it be?

Georgia sings in the Eurovision, play football and rugby in the European cups...

The frontier between Europe and Asia is an artificial construct, but Georgia itself firmly sees itself in Europe...

Re: Three teen sisters who win medals in coding competitions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe, or maybe it was the basic understand that the communist dream can only come true if everyone, men and women, equally work towards it. In my parents' generation (I'm born in the GDR) there was no debate about feminism. Women were expected to work, childcare was available, it was free and it catered to people who had to work 40h/week. Sometimes I was in kindergarten from 8am to 8pm. I still remember how I did no…

Communist revolutions threw out the old order entirely, including the part where women were considered inferior to men. There was never such a revolutionary change in the West.

Writing here to support this. Is all true.

I grew up in a very communist country, where the gender didn't matter, men and women were expected to be treated equally. The misoginism was barely noticeable. Salary didn't pay attention to sex, were really equally paid.

Leter I emmigrated in Germany. I was tottaly surprised how misoginist the society here is. So much, that there are laws that enforce the equality between man and woman. This is now so much tilted towards women, that man are most of the time suppressed, just because they are men. This is also not healthy, but, hey, we lived in matriarchy before, so we will survive just as well.

Re: Three teen sisters who win medals in coding competitions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only am I not arguing (and thus don't have an argument), but even if I were, that would certainly not be my argument. I was explaining why the comment was getting downvoted. It is, however, interesting to see how you yourself are adopting a very similar tactic to the one I talk about in the post you replied to. Simply fascinating.

OK, I'll try to be more explicit. > Saying "you can code even if you're a woman" is incredibly patronizing. It was never in question. This isn't true. Tons of people question this!

Are those people's opinions respectable?

I know people who question the earth being round. Who question the moon landing. Does that mean the matter itself is "in question"?

I guess I phrased it pretty vaguely huh? Fair enough.

Re: Three teen sisters who win medals in coding competitions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe, or maybe it was the basic understand that the communist dream can only come true if everyone, men and women, equally work towards it. In my parents' generation (I'm born in the GDR) there was no debate about feminism. Women were expected to work, childcare was available, it was free and it catered to people who had to work 40h/week. Sometimes I was in kindergarten from 8am to 8pm. I still remember how I did no…

> there was no debate about feminism. Women were expected to work There is something to it. In the soviet era, those three girls would have been praised for their success and presented as a proof that the world (or at least the commie world :)) is a fair place where everybody can succeed with enough determination and work. This was intended to send the message that women are expected and welcome members of the workfo…

Isn't "everybody can succeed with enough determination and work" the American Dream in a nutshell? (not talking about how it works out in practice, since that's not the point in your "soviet era" scenario either)

Re: Three teen sisters who win medals in coding competitions

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That is pretty awesome. I remember back in high school in the Soviet Union (then, what became one of the ex-Soviet Union republics, much like Georgia), there were quite a few girls in my class who were doing well above and beyond what boys would be in math, informatics (what we called computer science) and physics. Remember asking a girl for help to understand integrals. So there is something to it in that part of th…

Some of it may be traceable to the enormous number of Soviet men who died in WWII, prompting intense state support for single mothers and allowing the remaining men to avoid responsibility and be spoiled, essentially. This is mentioned briefly in this article if you're interested - http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/11/all-the-...

Another explanation could be that during the hardships of the post-Communist era everyone was on their own, men and women equally. In Russia, the percentage of women in management positions is still the highest in the world (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-womens-day-business-idUSKC...).

Re: Three teen sisters who win medals in coding competitions

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> The three sisters live in Georgia, a European country [...] ... Georgia is not a European country! Stereotypical American author confirmed (no clue of geography / politics outside of the US). Next time please take a look at a map before writing a blog post.

And were would it be? Georgia sings in the Eurovision, play football and rugby in the European cups... The frontier between Europe and Asia is an artificial construct, but Georgia itself firmly sees itself in Europe...

Eurovision Song Contest doesn't say anything about geography: Azerbaijan and Morocco competed there in the past (being EBU members, Algeria, Tunesia, Libya, and Egypt could apply, too).

Re: Three teen sisters who win medals in coding competitions

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Wow, this was really inspiring. There are probably hundreds of girls/women like this, but they don't make headlines as often. This is awesome. The youngest sister may even grow up in a world where she doesn't have the same barriers as most women today. Could this be a sign of positive change?

> The youngest sister may even grow up in a world where she doesn't have the same barriers as most women today. If there are fewer barriers, then you might see growth. Unfortunately this is difficult to tell. Some surveys show growth, others don't: S.O. survey respondents 5.8% women (2016) - http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2016 S.O. survey respondents 5.8% women (2015) - http://stackoverflow.com/re…

Why do you consider a role model in a field of endeavour unrelated to one's sex should be the same sex as oneself? Isn't that just the sort of sexism that you're attempting to avoid??

It seems either women are so different that they need female-centric approaches to programming and aspects, including their role models, must be tailored specifically for them. In which case, that's surely the reason there aren't so many women in tech - that it just doesn't follow the female-centric mores. Or, women and men are alike (ie fit within the same spectrum of abilities, insight and such) when it comes to programming and we should just get on with it and stop pretending people need specific help because of their sex?

Re: Three teen sisters who win medals in coding competitions

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> Remember asking a girl for help to understand integrals. Why does this surprise you? Why do you think a girl couldn't teach you anything about integrals? So. Fucking. Sexist.

I don't think he meant it like that at all. If he thought a girl couldn't teach you anything about integrals, he wouldn't have asked for help.

I think he used it as an example to show that the cultural distinction in his school between the genders when it came to math weren't enormous. Had there been a clear culture of math as an all-boys-no-girls subject, that exchange (were he as a boy asked a girl for help) would never have happened.

It is an example used to convey that it wasn't common for boys to think a girl couldn't teach you anything about integrals.

Re: Three teen sisters who win medals in coding competitions

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> Remember asking a girl for help to understand integrals. Why does this surprise you? Why do you think a girl couldn't teach you anything about integrals? So. Fucking. Sexist.

I don't think he meant it like that at all. If he thought a girl couldn't teach you anything about integrals, he wouldn't have asked for help. I think he used it as an example to show that the cultural distinction in his school between the genders when it came to math weren't enormous. Had there been a clear culture of math as an all-boys-no-girls subject, that exchange (were he as a boy asked a girl for help) would…

If it surprises anyone that a boy can ask a girl for help with maths, then that person is a sexist.

Unless you think girls are worse at maths, then this is a null-story. Shall I tell you a story about how as a child I saw that the sky is blue?

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