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Developers and artists should be treated like stakeholders rather than cannon-fodder and free labor.
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I figured someone would say that. I want actual cross-device, not Signal's weird "link your phone up to your MacBook" solution. So not Signal as it presently stands. Also (last time I checked; maybe it has improved) Signal's support for inline media within conversations was light years behind Telegram. Don't get me wrong, I applaud Signal's focus on security, but its usability simply isn't there yet.
I can't reply to the post underneath yours but I very much agree with you and for me the reason I don't want the "link your phone to your macbook" solution is because my phone and it's number are very much not going to be permanent. I do however have an email address I intend to use for a very long time. I was actually looking for a chat solution earlier today and neither telegram nor signal fit the bill for these ve…
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So basically what you want is Signal then: iOS https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/signal-private-messenger/id8... Android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.thoughtcri... [Blatant plug] If you want more info on managing digital/physical security threats, check out an open source free app we just launched called Umbrella: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.secfirst.u...
I figured someone would say that. I want actual cross-device, not Signal's weird "link your phone up to your MacBook" solution. So not Signal as it presently stands. Also (last time I checked; maybe it has improved) Signal's support for inline media within conversations was light years behind Telegram. Don't get me wrong, I applaud Signal's focus on security, but its usability simply isn't there yet.
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How I'm understanding is that these things happen at different times. 1. Business operates for X days (1 quarter, 1 year, whatever) 2. Business calculates it's profit (revenue - expenses) 3. Business now has a choice on what to do with it's profit. At t = 3, the profit is not an expense, though it will ultimately be used to benefit the company/cause (if it's a nonprofit). nonprofit organizations must decide what to d…
A nonprofit with profit is a contradiction. I get that some may perform calculations with labels called profit, but that contradicts the underlying thesis of the organization (as you've admitted).
I pasted investopedia already so here is wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonprofit_organization
Note "surplus revenues", and if you click that, wiki says they're basically the same as "profit" (because... surplus revenue is profit...)
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What is the relevance of VK's net worth to Telegram's decision?
Because it's Pavel Durov's money that's paying for this.
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A nonprofit with profit is a contradiction. I get that some may perform calculations with labels called profit, but that contradicts the underlying thesis of the organization (as you've admitted).
"nonprofit" is a bit of a misnomer -- if you don't take my word for it, please check other sources like investopedia or wikipedia I pasted investopedia already so here is wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonprofit_organization Note "surplus revenues", and if you click that, wiki says they're basically the same as "profit" (because... surplus revenue is profit...)
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I think you missed the point. Use another browser by all means, I do. Chrome or Chromium is required to run the Signal desktop client.
No, you missed the point. They don't want Chrome, and if their aversion could be solved with small tweaks to the branding they'd have probably just gotten over it.
Or I'm wrong, what's the aversion that is more important than having your messages stored in clear text by a third party?
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Because it's Pavel Durov's money that's paying for this.
No, that doesn't explain anything. Durov has a lot of money to throw around. Okay. Why did he throw it at something silly when Telegram has real problems? NCC Crypto Services would do a lot of good work for a million dollars.
Why not allow charging for bots and stickers? It stifles bot innovation as there are many great bots that have real costs that must be sustained somehow. Same with stickers. Great artists have zero incentive to make sticker packs since they can't charge for them and anyone can give them away to other users. Developers and artists should be treated like stakeholders rather than cannon-fodder and free labor.
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I figured someone would say that. I want actual cross-device, not Signal's weird "link your phone up to your MacBook" solution. So not Signal as it presently stands. Also (last time I checked; maybe it has improved) Signal's support for inline media within conversations was light years behind Telegram. Don't get me wrong, I applaud Signal's focus on security, but its usability simply isn't there yet.
I can't reply to the post underneath yours but I very much agree with you and for me the reason I don't want the "link your phone to your macbook" solution is because my phone and it's number are very much not going to be permanent. I do however have an email address I intend to use for a very long time. I was actually looking for a chat solution earlier today and neither telegram nor signal fit the bill for these ve…
Exactly, bots are an interesting and cool idea, and they're obviously putting a lot of effort behind it. But it just pales in comparison to the huge leap WhatsApp took, by implementing Signal's encryption.
TBH, I hadn't expected that move from WhatsApp at all--and I'm still a tiny bit skeptical, because it almost sounds a bit too good to be true :)
I have been using Signal for a bit, too, but hadn't gotten around to read up on how Signal's encryption protocol works, but I intend to. This too seems almost too easy, to get zero configuration and hard security. Surely there must be some pitfalls or trade-offs I'm paying for that? Ok there's the verification codes, and I can see if the protocol properly tight and secure, that might get you there. But I expect that to still leave some minor pitfall(s), and I just kind of want to know what exactly those are.
On the other hand, Telegram's Linux desktop client is just glorious. Sync is perfect and instant. The whole GUI runs super-snappy even on my 4-year old low-powered netbook. Which is something I can't say for WhatsWeb. Because it's so smooth and instant-sync I use as one of my primary means of sending text or data between my netbook and my phone.
The other reason is that, my data is being slurped left and right by big foreign corporations operating under very nosy governments. Currently that is mainly the US government, given the software platforms I use. Even if I can't help those powers tapping my (meta)data, it still makes a lot of sense to divide up my data-trail between powers that are very unlikely to share this data with eachother.
And then, about half of my friends are on Telegram. Many of them for the two reasons above, others because the rest is there :-P I personally don't mind using more than one IM-app/network either. I have all the "messaging" stuff (including GMail, btw) grouped in one of those "folder" like icons on my homescreen (Android/Cyanogenmod), giving very quick access to any I need.
So yes, Telegram. Make with the hard encryption. I personally prefer it over bot-functionality, even though I think it is very shiny. But what I would really hate to see is an IM network with mediocre encryption "win" (popularity) over a network with much better encryption, just because it has a shiny bot platform.