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Re: Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis

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Post by eru » Thu, Apr 21, 2016, 5:14 AM UTC

snowwindwaves wrote: post #109

goatforce5 wrote: post #99

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I was of the understanding that the problem with grow-op houses is they're often riddled with mould and have unsafe electrical modifications: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/12-signs-your-home-was-...

A friend wanted to buy the ex grow op house and he couldn't find a way to ever get a mortgage on it. And he works at a bank selling mortgages. So while some houses may be trashed by grow ops they are all assumed to be trashed and there is no way to remove the black mark from the property.

Shouldn't that drop the price until someone can buy it outright? You know, supply and demand? What's keeping the price up? Is the previous owner unwilling to sell so low?

Re: Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis

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Post by eru » Thu, Apr 21, 2016, 5:15 AM UTC

chrisweekly wrote: post #117

dmix wrote: post #49

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The key difference is that quality marijuana can be grown indoors for personal consumption, whereas it's very difficult to make a quality whiskey or beer by comparison. So I'm curious what effect this will have on prices. Because if pricing is anything like alcohol in Ontario then there will still be a lively black market and, if legalized, a personal-growing boom. In Ontario alcohol can only be bought at two governm…

> "The key difference is that quality marijuana can be grown indoors for personal consumption, whereas it's very difficult to make a quality whiskey or beer by comparison." wat? my friend, i fear you have overlooked modern homebrewing; world-class beer is being made in peoples' kitchens / basements / garages all over the place. :)

It's not impossible. Just harder.

Re: Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis

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Post by tn13 » Thu, Apr 21, 2016, 5:31 AM UTC

There is nothing great about smoking weed but something seriously bad about jailing people for smoking, possessing or growing. That is the reason why I support marijuana legalization but I dont think Canada wants to decriminalize Marijuana.

Re: Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis

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Post by ktRolster » Thu, Apr 21, 2016, 5:56 AM UTC

lee wrote: post #93

One thing that I am disappointed in is that I wish the Liberal government first decriminalized marijuana. For one thing, decriminalization is easy to do. Simply revoke the current criminal laws. The bill would be passed quite quickly. Which would then buy time to figure out a bill for legalization. Why is this important? Despite popular belief, simple possession laws ARE upheld in Canada, but the people charged are d…

  >For one thing, decriminalization is easy to do.

Decriminalization is a bad idea. It increases demand, which gives gangs and mafia types more money. If you're going to do it, legalize it.

Re: Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis

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Post by kyllo » Thu, Apr 21, 2016, 5:58 AM UTC

cb18 wrote: post #124

dd36 wrote: post #123

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isn't infowars a crackpot site?

It's not a site I frequent, I think it may have a bit of that brand image, but not like ufo bigfoot or whatever crackpot levels. That article is just a simple and clear telling of sourced facts that came up when I was searching for some facts.

What crackpot level is wearing an alien lizard mask while ranting about Obamacare?

Re: Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis

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Post by r00fus » Thu, Apr 21, 2016, 5:59 AM UTC

oldmanjay wrote: post #127

r00fus wrote: post #65

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Yes, absolutely brilliant.

Can something this obvious be brilliant?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brilliant&def...

Re: Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis

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Post by ktRolster » Thu, Apr 21, 2016, 6:01 AM UTC

kobayashi wrote: post #95

lee wrote: post #93

One thing that I am disappointed in is that I wish the Liberal government first decriminalized marijuana. For one thing, decriminalization is easy to do. Simply revoke the current criminal laws. The bill would be passed quite quickly. Which would then buy time to figure out a bill for legalization. Why is this important? Despite popular belief, simple possession laws ARE upheld in Canada, but the people charged are d…

Yah, but if you decriminalize possession it's a boon for the (still) illegal dealers and distributors. Is there any credible data to discredit my take on this?

That is why I favor legalization over decriminalization. It looks like the Canadian PM has thought this through, though, so I don't expect problems like that.

In the article he specifically said he wants to keep criminals from profiting from sales.

Re: Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis

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Post by homogeneous » Thu, Apr 21, 2016, 6:07 AM UTC

cb18 wrote: post #121

golergka wrote: post #116

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What if you account for rural/urban populations? Population density always has an effect on crime rate

I'm sure somebody's tried it. But the differences are so large that no amount of statistical trickery is going to be able to make them go away. http://www.infowars.com/black-crime-facts-that-the-white-lib... One must also consider that it isn't the density per se, but the populations. For example, you could compare two equally dense areas but made up of different population groups. You would find a difference.

What is often missed in these statistics is that 90% of the homicides committed by black citizens are committed against black citizens, so it's not surprising that blacks are overrepresented in homicide statistics since they are overrepresented in poor income neighborhoods where all the problems inherent to poverty exacerbate the cycle of violence.

Re: Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis

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Post by cb18 » Thu, Apr 21, 2016, 6:19 AM UTC

kyllo wrote: post #135

cb18 wrote: post #124

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It's not a site I frequent, I think it may have a bit of that brand image, but not like ufo bigfoot or whatever crackpot levels. That article is just a simple and clear telling of sourced facts that came up when I was searching for some facts.

What crackpot level is wearing an alien lizard mask while ranting about Obamacare?

level 9

Re: Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis

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Post by MichaelGG » Thu, Apr 21, 2016, 6:19 AM UTC

chris_wot wrote: post #119

MichaelGG wrote: post #63

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So basically a country can pull out of a bad treaty and all they're going to get is some strongly worded letters? Hopefully once Canada and others defy these terrible agreements, poorer countries will realise they have a lot to gain by ignoring them, too.

These things are never so simple. If a country pulls this sort of thing too often, then negotiations with other nations (especially the one whose treaty you pulled out of) will necessarily be much less willing to negotiate new treaties with them. Treaties are more than just trade, they also signify a strong relationship between nations because the nations who negotiate treaties are signalling that they are willing to…

Well hopefully people notice that the narcotics treaties really just damage poorer countries and don't end up "fighting drugs" anyways.

It's sad to see these made up "crimes" of drug selling and money "laundering", as they do suck up budgets, efforts, and lives in third world countries. One might be cubical enough to think e.g. the US loves this as a way to keep, say, Central America, under control.