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Almost Nothing About the ‘Apple Harvests Gold from iPhones’ Story Is True

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Post by hkmurakami »

techonup wrote: post #86
wolf550e wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WSJ also has a political agenda, which requires a second source for any story in there, from the other point of view.

This line of argument really needs to be toned down. While it's obviously true that papers like the WSJ, NYT, WashPo, etc. have influential partisan editorial boards, their newsrooms are filled with reporters and editors of various political leanings. More importantly, these reporters are among the best in the country and do their very best to find and report the truth in an unbiased fashion. That's what makes these…

Well even the Economist, which I consider to be the finest newspaper around (they call themselves a newspaper) and the closest thing to being unbiased, still has a subtle underlying predisposition likely at least somewhat influenced by its owners.

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Post by I_HALF_CATS »

FreedomToCreate wrote: post #2

This hits the nail on the head in calling out news reporting sites who don't fact check or truthfully report a topic. Its incredible how far from the actually story the Apple recycled gold headline deviates and really makes you wonder if citing so called reputable sources is even valid in some cases.

While this article is a good exception... In writing a book on Vice media I had the idea to see which american media outlets issue more corrections and updates. Vice scored the absolute worst. Much worse than Time, Gawker and Fox News. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MQ6IiQcorsN_pnY6oX1h...

Motherboard scored the best among the Vice verticals but not well in the grand scheme of things.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #53
c3534l wrote: post #21

What does it say about the world we live in where blogs do more basic journalism than CNN? All that one would have had to do is read the report actually provided. I don't think I'm being too extreme when I say that, apart from maybe PBS, there is no reputable source of news in America. If you don't believe me, pick a random story, watch it as it gets rewritten a million times through Reuters, then check back on the f…

> What does it say about the world we live in where blogs do more basic journalism than CNN? To me it says that people who thought the Internet would kill journalism were wrong.

Really? To me it says they were right.

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Post by eru »

dap wrote: post #103
erikpukinskis wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What does it say about the world we live in where blogs do more basic journalism than CNN? To me it says that people who thought the Internet would kill journalism were wrong.

But that doesn't follow at all. Others have pointed out (in this thread) it's possible that old-media outlets have become sloppy _because_ the sloppy new-media outlets are out-producing them and gaining a major share of attention. I don't think this data point supports either conclusion more than the other.

Why? erikpukinskis didn't say the Internet helped journalism, merely that it didn't kill journalism.

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Post by studentrob »

fabulist wrote: post #157
zatkin wrote: post #145

In Apple's defense, I would imagine that most people who are getting rid of old Apple devices don't think about taking the devices to the Apple Store because that's where they buy new products. They typically take their products to an electronic recycling center, or even worse, they just throw it away in the garbage. Apple may be 'cheating the system' by paying these companies to receive credit for some X amount of p…

I don't see this as cheating, but we're talking about the company who convinced people "Rose Gold" was cool. If they told their customers it would be super for them to bring old iDevices back to the Apple store for recycling, I'm confident they would succeed.

> If they told their customers it would be super for them to bring old iDevices back to the Apple store for recycling

They do - http://www.apple.com/recycling/

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Post by Dylan16807 »

engi_nerd wrote: post #78
jeff_tyrrill wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hacker News would be immensely more valuable and useful to me if a poster such as abhi3 posted such a well-written summary on every story.

I don't want summaries in the discussion. I want actual discussion.

A summary is not very big, and doesn't exclude other posts. If ten people posted summaries, you would have a problem, but let's not worry about something that isn't happening.

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Post by addicted »

coldtea wrote: post #159

While the article is fine, this does not really follow: > So while Apple is nominally responsible for recycling a 90 million pounds of e-waste, very little of that is actually iPhones, and very little of that is actually being done by Apple. In Washington State, for example, Apple products made up just 1.78 percent of the total weight of e-waste recycled in 2014. In Oregon, Apple products made up 1.65 percent. The au…

1.65 % is not much when Apple makes up such a significant percentage of the phone market.

But even out of that 1.65%, iPhones themselves probably make a small percentage because macs are so much heavier.

The point of this article is that the media has implied that Apple is getting x pounds of gold by recycling iPhones and macs.

In reality Apple is eating about 1.5% of x pounds of gold by recycling iPhones and macs. They are likely getting 98% of x pounds of gold by recycling old CRT TVs and Dells. And only a very minuscule percent of the recycling is done by Apple. He vast majority of it was Apple paying 3rd party recyclers to get credit for the recycling.

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Post by VonGuard »

malchow wrote: post #34
c3534l wrote: post #21

What does it say about the world we live in where blogs do more basic journalism than CNN? All that one would have had to do is read the report actually provided. I don't think I'm being too extreme when I say that, apart from maybe PBS, there is no reputable source of news in America. If you don't believe me, pick a random story, watch it as it gets rewritten a million times through Reuters, then check back on the f…

WSJ has floors of smart, trained, inquisitive journalists who assemble real original data and break real original stories, and who try hard–through single, double, and triple verification–to ensure the accuracy of every single figure and fact they report. Which is why it's sometimes annoying to see people treat paywalls as though they were moral disgraces. Source: I help invest for the chairman of the company.

>WSJ has floors of smart, trained, inquisitive journalists who assemble real original data and break real original stories, and who try hard–through single, double, and triple verification–to ensure the accuracy of every single figure and fact they report.

All of which is taken, considered, and thrown out the window if Rupert wants a story that's mean to Obama run instead.

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Post by andrewflnr »

ericd wrote: post #154
mtanski wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bernie supporters turn me off to Bernie. I happen to agree with the guy on many (but, not all) problems facing our country and it's people. But instead on HN, my Facebook & any story about Bernie. His supporters automatically try to counter any kind of scrutiny of the guy, his positions & his plans. For crying out loud The guy is running for president, he's not a saint and he deserves every bit of scrutiny.

The point isn't that he's being scrutinized, the point is that that line of argument in the article is totally disingenuous, to the point of being almost a smear.

What argument are you thinking of? GP didn't mention one in particular.
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