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Re: Off the Grid

#112
'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Re: Off the Grid

#113
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many of us depend on it to pay the bills, though. On the internet, to build stuff for other people to use the internet more and generate more internet related jobs...

People had jobs before the internet came along.

There were a lot fewer jobs back then though.

Re: Off the Grid

#114
post #2

The other day I suddenly remembered the door of my college room. Since I was at university pre-Internet, pre-mobile phones there was a piece of paper and a pencil on the door so that people who came round to find me could leave a message... by writing on the door.

At my school (in the mid-'90s) it was the same thing, but with whiteboards. You'd affix a cheap little whiteboard and non-permanent marker to your door, and people who came by would leave you messages. Then at day's end you'd come back, read the messages, and wipe the board clean for tomorrow.

It strikes me now how much those little whiteboards prefigured social media. Some people used them to leave status updates, like we do today on Facebook -- you'd write how you were doing today or where you were going to be later at the top of your board. And others (like me) used them like Twitter, as a place to leave little jokes for others to come by and read.

Re: Off the Grid

#115
post #2

The other day I suddenly remembered the door of my college room. Since I was at university pre-Internet, pre-mobile phones there was a piece of paper and a pencil on the door so that people who came round to find me could leave a message... by writing on the door.

When I was at university back in 2007-2011, many students still did that. Alhough, they were usually not filled with messages but rather phalluses...

Re: Off the Grid

#116

The good folks of tumblr have a succinct counter-argument to suggestions like this. It is, and I quote: "durr hburr technology is bad fire is scary and thomas edison was a witch"

I kind of agree "Not having an online presence" makes as much sense as "not having a presence at the pub" or "refusing to talk to people as a principle - isn't that so 'awesome'?" It's fine, you don't need to be on every silly new 2.0 dot com, no issue there. But you're shutting yourself out of a means of communication with other people. The fact that it involved technology is a detail You can go to the pub and not d…

I feel I'm definetly older than most of you. I've had about three long term best friends, excluding romantic relationships. Ride, or die friends. One friend is on FB, but not there much.

The main reason I joined FB is I thought I was missing out on meeting new people.

I used my real identity on FB for a year. I still wore sunglasses, because I didn't think anyone had a right to see your entire face. Yes--I've got friend requests. I look up that person, and boom--they have 500 friends. Why do they want another one?

I even had the cutest Amish girl want to be friends of FB. She had 3000 friends. She was married. What's the point?

I don't think I had one person FB friend request that didn't seem to have a selfish agenda? To be fair, I really didn't reach out to people I once really liked. We seemed to go in just different directions.

I want to like FB, but I just find the site depressing. The most interesting people, I once knew well, are now just posing for pictures, crafting their comments to get their seemingly so fragile egos the "Likes", and seem to be using FB as some sort of way to control how society views them?

Most would be better off just telling the truth, but they can't. Why? Because the better part of the world will be able to see your vulnerabilities, and those bad days that make you human, will never be able to be erased. A few mistakes, and you are that person that will be judged by the rest? And the rest, makes snap judgements, and most will likely remember you by that one bad day.

So, it you have any sence of self preservation, you will just post those fishmouth pictures, and be nauseating optimistic.

Why--you can't want to be called out as a Troll, or Debbie Downer, or have a negative view on anything the sheep haven't given disscused in committee beforehand.

So, what do we have? We have FB. A site that forces people to be superficial, and fake.

Aging, if I was younger, I think my time on FB would have less nauseating? Maybe?

People promote these sites as the end all. How can you meet anyone if they never show the real person behind the keyboard?

I do like HN for obvious reasons. My only complaint is they should pay moderators. Why--it might weed out the moderators that use the site as a power trip?

Re: Off the Grid

#117
post #38

It's interesting that I was at an itunes free gig in London back in 2010 at the Camden Roundhouse (band was Bombay Bicycle Club and they were very good), and Stephen Fry made a pre gig speech (obviously paid by Apple) to say how marvellous the iphone was and how although some people criticise social media , it is a marvellous thing that helps people feel less lonely, amongst other things (and the iphone helps people…

He was (is?) a shopping addict. https://youtu.be/p7tLn57pf-8?t=41m20s "I have 12 computers. I must have something between 12 and 14 iPods."

Watch the 2 parts if you have the time, it's really good.

Re: Off the Grid

#118
post #92

As someone who uses the internet in a healthy way and healthy dose, i think this article is like when an (former?) alcoholic suggests to all the people to not even drink one beer occasionally. Seriously why should I not use email to communicate with people far away from me on interesting topics? Why would I not look up things in Wikipedia? Why would I not look at Fecebook once a day for 2 minutes to see whether there…

you can of course use it as much as you want -- but I thing the broader point of the author holds: for a generation that is supposed to be rebellious, there is a surprising amount of conformism in accepting these tools as something that need to be used all the time.

Re: Off the Grid

#120
"Because the bombardment of pseudo-realities begins to produce inauthentic humans very quickly, spurious humans—as fake as the data pressing at them from all sides. My two topics are really one topic; they unite at this point. Fake realities will create fake humans. Or, fake humans will generate fake realities and then sell them to other humans, turning them, eventually, into forgeries of themselves. So we wind up with fake humans inventing fake realities and then peddling them to other fake humans. It is just a very large version of Disneyland. You can have the Pirate Ride or the Lincoln Simulacrum or Mr. Toad's Wild Ride—you can have all of them, but none is true." - PKD

edit: this is from http://deoxy.org/pkd_how2build.htm

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