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Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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> The whole market is overvalued, not just the tech unicorns. Yep. That's what Peter Thiel is saying as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11485376

Aside from if he's right or not, that is the belief one would expect him to hold, his other option is "looks like I'm a bad investor after all".

One can't be a bad investor and learn from their mistakes, presumably?

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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> Unless these folks had degrees in Working At Intel, losing a job is not the same as becoming permanently unemployable. A 50 year old Intel employee might find it quite difficult to get a new job any time soon. Not to mention that where they live they'll have some other thousands ex-colleagues recently fired looking for similar type of jobs. We're talking about thousands of people -- few of them will be highly sough…

You paint a contrived scenario and then lament it. What is the purpose? Where do you have stats showing all of these job cuts will happen in the same location? Where are the stats that show when a person loses their job, their spouse is also likely to lose their job?

It is not a contrived scenario. My dad was laid off 5 years before retirement and guess what? All his skills were working in the Intel organization and nobody is going to hire a senior manager in folsom a few years before retirement. Please try to be a bit more compassionate, it actually effects real people.

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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Ain't that a bit sad, all that energy and pollution going towards planned obsolescence so that he with the shiniest toys wins? There is some legitimate utility derived from novelty -- I don't want to be walking around in my grandfather's battered rags either -- but I wonder if some day we can shift towards something more sustainable and less paying to dig consumerist holes then paying again to fill them back in.

Yeah, I never went in for replacing things just for the 'new car smell'. That's probably why I drive a nearly-30-year-old car. :) The point about your grandad's battered rags is that they're battered rags, though, not that they're old. His good leather jacket is probably still perfectly serviceable today.

My leather jacket is 20 years old and in great shape.

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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The argument "we can't fill all these open positions, please let us bring in foreign workers" then firing 10,000 people contradicts why they want the government to deregulate the system.

No, it just means none of the 10k people were qualified enough. They were not fit for the open positions. Otherwise there is no sense in hiring an H1B with the same salary plus all the H1B related fees and expenses.

> Otherwise there is no sense in hiring an H1B with the same salary plus all the H1B related fees and expenses

I am sure some employers will perceive them as more compliant employees, given their visa status depends on their continued employment.

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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There are plenty of PCs. Here's the problem. Running a five-year-old PC used to be an issue. Today, running a five-year-old PC is a Intel Sandy Bridge i7-2600K ( Passmark Score: 8,518 ). While a modern i7-6700K has a Passmark Score of: 10,987. FIVE YEARS, and FOUR generations of processors have created a gain of net 28% in multithreaded situations. Far less for single-threaded applications (maybe 15%). And absolutely…

People repeat that meme that SandyBridge doesn't need replaced so often. You say it 2 or 3 times by yourself. While that's the prevailing opinion, I don't necessarily agree. I think it's SandyBridge owners trying to convince themselves more than anything else, but really it's just being swooped up in the groupthink. Skylake is the first chip that makes a very strong case as an upgrade. You gain NVME support for your…

> Skylake is the first chip that makes a very strong case as an upgrade. You gain NVME support for your PCIE SSDs

http://www.amazon.com/Ableconn-PEXM2-SSD-NGFF-Express-Adapte...

If you care about NVMe, just get a $20 expansion card. Besides, NVMe SSDs are expensive. Mushkin Reactor 1TB for $210 yo.

Hell, the fastest NVMe SSDs directly go into PCIe lanes. So if I actually cared about the faster speeds, I'd jump to an Intel 750 SSD.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167...

Name me an M.2 NVMe SSD that is more cost effective than a Mushkin Reactor (1TB, MLC, maxes out the SATA6gbps bus, $200), or has faster I/O speeds than a 750.

Yes, if I had a laptop which only had room for a M.2 card, then maybe I'd get the Samsung M.2 card. But even if one were given to me for free, I'd rather get the $20 PCIe expansion card.

I can't think of a single situation where I actually need the onboard M.2 card on the Skylake motherboards, aside from the $20 convenience.

> roughly 20% IPC improvement (5% per gen give or take)

I admit, this is a good thing. But this is very very little, especially when you consider that the iPhone 5 to iPhone6 jump was 70% IPC improvement AND battery improvement, yet many people don't consider that enough of a jump.

http://www.imore.com/a9-processor-iphone-6s-and-6s-plus-70-f...

Soooo... FIVE years gets you +20% speed, while ONE year gets you +70% speed on phones. That's why desktops aren't getting upgraded.

> DX12_1 feature level IGP

You buy a $300+ CPU without buying a $100 GPU? The cheapest of GPUs are significantly better than IGP. Hell, if I cared about DX12_1 IGP, I'd get an AMD A10 for half the cost and twice the IGP performance with drivers that actually work on games.

Except I game in capacities that far exceed even AMD's superior IGP. I also care about adaptive sync / GSync technology, which isn't supported by Intel Iris. So I have a R9 290X. Intel's IGP doesn't even come close to a $100 GPU, let alone the midrange GPUs.

> CPUs with 128MB L4 cache which absolutely destroys chips that didn't have this for gaming

NOT on the desktop. Crystalwell is laptop-only, and 45W to boot. Compared to 20W Laptop chips, I don't see the Crystalwell L4 Cache actually being useful to the majority of people.

In fact, I don't even know of any laptops with Crystalwell that I'd recommend to anyone. Here's a challenge: Name me a good laptop with Iris Pro / Crystalwell. Hint: Macbook Pro use AMD dGPUs for a reason.

And hell, we aren't even talking about laptops. We're talking about Desktops, and Crystalwell is UNAVAILABLE in desktop form. Its irrelevant to the desktop user, even if you thought that paying $600+ for a CPU was cost-effective (instead of buying a Sandy Bridge E5-2670 for $70 from Amazon).

Basically, you got DDR4 RAM and IPC +20%. That's all that I actually think the last five years will get you. Or, you can buy a 8-core 16-thread E5-2670 for $70... hell... two of them, get a nice Server Board for $300 and have a BEAST of a machine.

http://www.techspot.com/review/1155-affordable-dual-xeon-pc/

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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If they can't sell computers in the digital age where software has taken over everything, you can think whatever you want but that does reflect poorly on the economy. Yes, many factors are at play. It is still a terrible sign.

The PC isn't going anywhere, but the need to update every 30 months has gone away. It's a sign of market maturity. Intel shouldn't be trading at a premium if it's selling a highly predictable, stable product to a consolidating marketplace.

Intel has always sold predictable, stable products. But the rate of increase in the core value delivered by their primary product line has slowed dramatically.

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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News like this out of the blue is strange. I was pretty sure that the post-PC era was a sham. It still is, right?

I recently started working on a little eCommerce project. I found a way to indirectly estimate the sales of some of my competitors products. So I downloaded about 13gb of this data, processed it down into about 80 million rows and than ran a bunch of stats on it. Now 80 million rows is not "big data" scale, but it's not super small either. With my 16gb of memory (that I paid I think $400 for), my humble quad core i7…

Yup. I do plenty of "medium data" work on my overclocked i5-2500k and 64 GB of RAM on Windows 7 / Ubuntu mixed machine. I've had the processor since the 2500k was the thing to have (years ago). No reason to upgrade yet. Got a new GPU after 6 years but that was about it.

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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I wouldn't call it a disappointment. It will add native USB 3.1 (Type-C) support which is major thing for me, considering that USB Type-C is projected to become the most popular socket in the history of humanity. Also: support of Intel Optane ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_XPoint ), Thunderbolt 3, HEVC, etc ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaby_Lake ).

I thought type C was just a connector. How is this supported or (not supported) by the SoC? There are USB 2.0 devices with a type C connector. This is more confusing than it should be for me...

Skylake supports all these, but needs a a seperated chip on the motherboard. With Kaby Lake it'll be built in to the chip. That should hopefully mean these connections aren't just restricted to high end laptops.

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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So Intel is cutting 11% of its workforce, Goldman Sachs just reported a 56% drop in profits, Morgan Stanley had a 50% drop in profits, Netflix missed subscriber growth estimates etc... yet, the Dow just hit a 9-Month high, and the S&P500 is now above 2100. The whole market is overvalued, not just the tech unicorns.

Can you explain why the Goldman and MS stocks didn't drop? Overvalued means the stock prices should drop.

I have no opinion on whether GS and MS are overvalued, but here's a fun quote from Keynes. "The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent."

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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How does that work? If I have a meager income I'm not buying an iPhone or a desirable target for ads from Instagram.

Pedantic but an iphone is probably a way better purchase than most things if you are low income. For $400 you get a device that will let you watch movies, play games, check email, get phone calls, etc. Granted you could also get a cheaper phone but this replaces your TV and computer! Smartphones are really high-value!

Why do you think only iPhone can do that? Pretty much any 50$ used smartphone can do all those things.
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