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To save you a click: the kind of diversity in question is "political or ideological diversity" with a focus on conservative politics and ideologies.

Conservative ideology is focused around defining progress (a term somewhat at odds with conservatism itself) as a return to a previous state of affairs (that may have never existed in the first place). That our civilizations apotheosis is somewhere in the past, not the future. This does not seem a compatible perspective with the idea of the university, which was handed down to us from the ideas of Socrates: to probe the universe, to find the answers to misunderstood and perplexing phenomena; to search for the truth. To a conservative ideologue, the truth lies behind us. To the rest of humanity, the truth lies beyond us.

That's not to say that history doesn't have an important role to play for the forward-thinking. On the contrary. We'd like to get the record straight or as close to right as possible. This often flies in the face of the imagined past conservative thinking seems transfixed upon.

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I think it's fair to discriminate (in the literal sense) based on factors people can affect or change, like political affiliation, but not based on factors that people can't change, like race. [1] That said, if you're touting your commitment to diversity, you really should be seeking out, y'know, diversity . Including lots of different kinds of people is a multifaceted endeavor. [1] I know it's not legal to discrimin…

I once worked for a company where it was mandatory (highly encourage and if you did not you might find yourself being fired) to read Alas Shrugged ... with the boss asking you questions as you read it to try understand your political ideology.

No, it is not ok to force someone to adopt a political ideology, religion or any other thought process.

It was a terrible job, a terrible work environment and I quit as soon as I found a new job.

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post #9

To save you a click: the kind of diversity in question is "political or ideological diversity" with a focus on conservative politics and ideologies.

Conservative ideology is focused around defining progress (a term somewhat at odds with conservatism itself) as a return to a previous state of affairs (that may have never existed in the first place). That our civilizations apotheosis is somewhere in the past, not the future. This does not seem a compatible perspective with the idea of the university, which was handed down to us from the ideas of Socrates: to probe…

> a return to a previous state of affairs (that may have never existed in the first place)

If chasing a state that never really existed wouldn't that make conservatism some sort of defacto progressive utopianism?

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> The advocates of diversity in higher education claim that learning requires the robust exchange of ideas, which is enhanced when students and faculty have the greatest possible variety of backgrounds. They argue that exposure to people from different backgrounds breaks down unfair stereotypes and promotes understanding of those who come from different circumstances than oneself.

Huh. I thought that the advocates of diversity in higher education were saying that it is fundamentally wrong to have an applicant pool and a worker pool that is biased on some aspect that has no known scientific reason to be intrinsically biased in that way, no plausible hypothesis for why it would be intrinsically biased in that way, and plenty of known reasons to be extrinsically biased. You could say it's fundamentally wrong because it's morally unjust, or you could say it's fundamentally wrong because it's losing you out on a large fraction of qualified candidates, but either way it's not because of second-order effects like these people bringing new viewpoints and ways of thinking.

I would imagine, for instance, that if a hypothetical Harvard noticed that most of its current and prospective faculty were Boston Brahmin, it would primarily look to diversify its candidate pool because there are tons of other good candidates that they must be overlooking. There's probably also a secondary effect of diversity of thought, and there probably is a bit of explanation as to why it's easier for well-established, well-connected families in Boston to produce Harvard professors, and a tiny bit of that might even be genetic intelligence. But it seems implausible that a well-functioning recruitment process would primarily attract this crowd, and the conclusion would be that the process is poorly functioning, not merely that it is poorly accomplishing some secondary benefit of diversity.

If you accept this reasoning, then it's pretty clear why Prof. Hasnas' experience -- as the "executive director of the Georgetown Institute for the Study of Markets and Ethics, whose tripartite mission is to produce high-quality research on matters related to the ethics of market activity, improve ethics pedagogy, and educate the broader, non-academic community about ethical issues related to the functioning of markets" -- involves a lot of discrimination on political viewpoint, and there is no contradiction or hypocrisy in wanting discrimination on political viewpoint for a job in such an institute but not wanting discrimination on genetics. Candidates applying for such a job probably have an extensive academic history of expressing opinions on markets and ethics, and whether they are libertarian in those forums is absolutely relevant to the recruitment process. (Their political opinions they yell on Facebook is of course a different thing and much more off-limits, but I don't believe that's what the professor or his committees were referring to.) A well-functioning recruitment process for such an institute should be biased on what those candidates have written on these topics and what viewpoints they've argued in favor of.

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post #9

To save you a click: the kind of diversity in question is "political or ideological diversity" with a focus on conservative politics and ideologies.

Conservative ideology is focused around defining progress (a term somewhat at odds with conservatism itself) as a return to a previous state of affairs (that may have never existed in the first place). That our civilizations apotheosis is somewhere in the past, not the future. This does not seem a compatible perspective with the idea of the university, which was handed down to us from the ideas of Socrates: to probe…

This strikes me as a vast generalization. I think that the author of the article is also including people who have conservative economic views (he calls out libertarians as a marginalized group, who are socially liberal and economically conservative). Surely there's nothing about economic conservatism that flies against progress or probing the universe.

While I am not conservative, I believe there is a lot that can be learned from those with a conservative viewpoint.

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post #9

To save you a click: the kind of diversity in question is "political or ideological diversity" with a focus on conservative politics and ideologies.

Conservative ideology is focused around defining progress (a term somewhat at odds with conservatism itself) as a return to a previous state of affairs (that may have never existed in the first place). That our civilizations apotheosis is somewhere in the past, not the future. This does not seem a compatible perspective with the idea of the university, which was handed down to us from the ideas of Socrates: to probe…

I believe conservatism partially covers the "second moment" as well: for instance, one might think that civilization has progressed further than it has ever in the past, but it's accelerating towards a state of affairs that will "overshoot" and end up being worse than some future state.

Maybe we conceptualize political views around higher moments of progress, like jerk-progress and snap-progress.

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post #6

I think it's fair to discriminate (in the literal sense) based on factors people can affect or change, like political affiliation, but not based on factors that people can't change, like race. [1] That said, if you're touting your commitment to diversity, you really should be seeking out, y'know, diversity . Including lots of different kinds of people is a multifaceted endeavor. [1] I know it's not legal to discrimin…

Imagine if the keys to academic success were that you needed to believe that blue is the best color. There is nothing intrinsic about blue being the best color, and a good argument could be made that green is the best color. But, everyone who holds the keys to the kingdom of academic success think that blue is the best color, and won't let anyone in who thinks green is the best color.

Do you think that system is "fair"? Or a good one?

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post #5

I've never heard of a single institution specifying the kind of the diversity that they want. Just "diversity". What about intellectual diversity? Why doesn't Harvard accept people from a diverse range of SAT scores? It makes me wonder if these institutions actually accept the ideology they claim to embrace, or if they just use buzzwords and do the bare minimum so they're not labeled bigots.

>Why doesn't Harvard accept people from a diverse range of SAT scores

They do

http://features.thecrimson.com/2015/freshman-survey/makeup-n...

"Respondents who identify as Asian, but not including South Asian, reported higher overall SAT scores on average, with an overall best score of 2300 out of a possible 2400. The average best overall SAT score reported by white respondents was 2218; 2174 for respondents who are Hispanic or Latino; and 2149 for respondents who are black or African American."

Re: One Kind of Diversity Colleges Avoid

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post #9

To save you a click: the kind of diversity in question is "political or ideological diversity" with a focus on conservative politics and ideologies.

Conservative ideology is focused around defining progress (a term somewhat at odds with conservatism itself) as a return to a previous state of affairs (that may have never existed in the first place). That our civilizations apotheosis is somewhere in the past, not the future. This does not seem a compatible perspective with the idea of the university, which was handed down to us from the ideas of Socrates: to probe…

s/liberialism/conservitism

There's a reason people are voting with their feet in the millions for our capitalist country, not their socialist.

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