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If I'm on reddit and had to reload the page for every upvote/downvote, comment expand/collapse, show more comments, and reply the ux would be significantly worse. And thats not even a site that has that much user interaction.
In any case, I've noticed a tendency to conflate JavaScript with what I'll call "JavaScript abuse". I'm guilty of JavaScript abuse and I'm sure many of you are as well. But to attribute this to any programming language, regardless of bad parts, is the sort of blame-shifting we should try to avoid as developers. "Never use X" might be a solution to a problem but it won't necessarily guide you to good design patterns.
We've all heard the old adage "use the right tool for the job" but its just as important to do a good job with the tools you have. It's possible to write pages that use CSS and JavaScript to enhance your users' experience while also being small and rendering perfectly in Lynx. If you're having so much trouble with JavaScript that you eschew it completely, maybe there was an issue with how you approached the problem rather than with the language itself.
I think I understand that this article was trying to represent an interview of someone who is successfully creating complex web applications without JS, but it was written as though all of the readers already understand how to do this. Where's the "why" and "how" behind this? What's the advantage of leaving out JS? How do I do client-side interaction without it (the interview seems to imply that we do everything serv…
I'm coding JS now professionally for 20 years (so, quite from the beginning) and I love the language. That said, I think, current frameworks are, with all due respect, rather over-engineered. – A tool chain consisting of at least 8 items, a multiline CLI command to compile a hello world that comes at a mere 19.500 lines of code? (Some may remember when early Java versions were made fun of for a 2MB hello world object…
But maybe it comes down to the fact that many developers simply like over engineered solutions and sprinkle some complexity to often boring problems? Not saying that it's always the case but surely many of us can recollect related stories :)
P.S.: Maybe, this is just an old man's rant about the old days like when PostScript was all written by hand and typo came in stars. But I'm really underwhelmed by the state of creativity on the web.
The worst part of JavaScript is that the relevant committee is simply failing to acknowledge that there are lots of bright computer language designers out there who'd love to have a chance to bring their creations to the web.
It's pointless to be a contrarian on JavaScript. It's here to stay, but it does appear there's a big push to be able to write something other than plain JavaScript (that produces JavaScript) to bring more sanity to the development process. That Microsoft is pushing a superset that produces JavaScript ( https://www.typescriptlang.org/ ) and Google is also behind Dart ( https://www.dartlang.org/ ) that produces JavaScr…
All major browsers are working on WebAssembly as a bytecode for the web: https://webassembly.github.io/ I expect we will skip JavaScript for TypeScript/Dart -> WebAssembly in the future.
We can only hope more people lose javascript. Please ?
Javascript is a great language. Transpiling another language to run on the browser (looking at you , zombie GWT!) will NOT make CSS and event handling any less complex.