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Re: Google CDN Beta is already one of the fastest CDNs

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Post by azazqadir »

nikolay wrote: post #76
azazqadir wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have used both GCE and AWS. Current I have website that is hosted on GCE, but I am using Cloudways managed platform because I am not good with server configuration thing. GCE is definitely better in performance and cheaper in pricing than AWS. Their block storage is more than AWS and they have native load-balancing technology which AWS does not have have. The only downside I have felt with GCE is that they are pres…

Well, there's spot instance pricing and reserved instances with AWS that nobody can touch. What "native load balancing" are you referring to that has no equivalent with AWS? There are many options for EBS - including magnetic storage. I doubt you can beat the speed of EBS with provisioned IO! Maybe you weren't using the right type for your need!

From AWS article on Best Practices in Evaluating Elastic Load Balancing, section Pre-Warming the Load Balancer:

"In certain scenarios, such as when flash traffic is expected, or in the case where a load test cannot be configured to gradually increase traffic, we recommend that you contact us to have your load balancer "pre-warmed". We will then configure the load balancer to have the appropriate level of capacity based on the traffic that you expect. We will need to know the start and end dates of your tests or expected flash traffic, the expected request rate per second and the total size of the typical request/response that you will be testing."

Edit: This means ELB could not deal with sudden spikes of traffic.

Re: Google CDN Beta is already one of the fastest CDNs

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Post by boulos »

nikolay wrote: post #76
azazqadir wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have used both GCE and AWS. Current I have website that is hosted on GCE, but I am using Cloudways managed platform because I am not good with server configuration thing. GCE is definitely better in performance and cheaper in pricing than AWS. Their block storage is more than AWS and they have native load-balancing technology which AWS does not have have. The only downside I have felt with GCE is that they are pres…

Well, there's spot instance pricing and reserved instances with AWS that nobody can touch. What "native load balancing" are you referring to that has no equivalent with AWS? There are many options for EBS - including magnetic storage. I doubt you can beat the speed of EBS with provisioned IO! Maybe you weren't using the right type for your need!

We have our own spare capacity product called preemptible VMs (cloud.google.com/preemptible-vms) with a similar discount and no need for bidding (Disclaimer: I worked on it). Also, we don't have reserved instances because our sustained use discounts, per-minute billing and continued year-on-year price drops make more sense than any of the RI combos (1 yr is worse than our pricing with sustained use, 3 years locks you out of price drops).

As to load balancing, I assume the poster is referring to the need to "pre-warm" ELB if you actually want to scale while our Maglev based load balancing goes from 0 to 1M qps within a minute.

Finally, EBS with provisioned IOPS is a good product! But so is PD-SSD, and you don't need to be a storage expert to get the best performance.

As others have pointed out, we've made a lot of progress in the last couple of years. Give us a closer look!

Disclosure: I work on Compute Engine.

Re: Google CDN Beta is already one of the fastest CDNs

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Post by tedmiston »

wstrange wrote: post #61
nikolay wrote: post #57

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I'd chose Azure before Google Cloud if I look for AWS alternative. I see more fruitful imagination in Microsoft than in Google! I am highly disappointed by Google - they've missed so many opportunities when it comes to Cloud Computing! They started the negative trend with the ridiculous and pricey AppEngine! And now they continue to lag severely behind Amazon! Also, if people mostly cared about "the fastest", you'd s…

Last time I priced out AWS, Azure and GCE, Azure was by far the most expensive - by a long shot - at least for our usage. I think Microsoft is looking to capture their F500 base that are highly Windows/AD-centric.

Well Microsoft also started giving $120k (first 12 months) in free credit to startups that went through most accelerators, whereas equivalent AWS credit has been exhausted by most of us.

Note that for YC, the number is $500k.

Re: Google CDN Beta is already one of the fastest CDNs

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Post by boulos »

eknkc wrote: post #40
bigiain wrote: post #34

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Sure it makes business sense for Google to do this, but you've gotta admit to having that same reservation for every new Google service. Would you build a business model that relies on a brand new Google service? Hell no - give it a few years, and wait to see if the "customer support" consists of hundreds of other suckers who've gone all-in complaining to each other on the public forums, with not even the original 20…

I felt like this about Google services for a long time now. However, we decided to go with GCE for some of our recent / less critical work and to be honest, I've been really happy. We had decent support and even our requests through non official channels like slack communities or direct emails got responded / followed up. Services seem as stable as AWS. And most of the tooling is better. I think they are doing a grea…

Based on your slack channel comment, I assume you're using Kubernetes. That's a great choice for new development, and I'm glad you've had your questions answered! I can't tell though, did you also use one of our paid support tiers? (https://cloud.google.com/support).

Re: Google CDN Beta is already one of the fastest CDNs

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Post by boulos »

sams99 wrote: post #59

Something that is unclear to me here, can I origin pull from anywhere? or is this purely for compute engine now? Regarding free SSL are we talking SNI here or is this free non SNI HTTPS hosting?

Right now it's just compute engine (Source: cloud.google.com/cdn). I'm not sure on the SNI part, but like you I assume that's the case.

Edit: Nope! A little birdie pointed out to me that since "each HTTP(S) LB gets its own Anycast VIP, so there's no need for SNI."

Re: Google CDN Beta is already one of the fastest CDNs

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Post by nikolay »

tedmiston wrote: post #83
wstrange wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time I priced out AWS, Azure and GCE, Azure was by far the most expensive - by a long shot - at least for our usage. I think Microsoft is looking to capture their F500 base that are highly Windows/AD-centric.

Well Microsoft also started giving $120k (first 12 months) in free credit to startups that went through most accelerators, whereas equivalent AWS credit has been exhausted by most of us. Note that for YC, the number is $500k.

I've heard about this as well - a friend's startup has a vast free infrastructure on Azure using the same program, but I think though you'll be in troubles having to migrate to AWS/GCE when you run out of the free credits and your startup survives one year and migration is the last thing you wanna deal with at that time. :)

Re: Google CDN Beta is already one of the fastest CDNs

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Post by obulpathi »

mgnacl wrote: post #73
obulpathi wrote: post #54

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Google Cloud is by far the best Cloud. Beats Aws and other cloud providers by miles margin. Also keeping in mind that a service that just entered beta is the fastest by itself is impressive. I would say, let's wait a while before commenting on features.

Edit: retracted, after a closer look at your previous comments.

I did PhD in Cloud and Big Data (Created a Cloud and Big Data platform for crunching large scale images on satellite clusters). I spent about 10 years of my life working on nothing but Cloud and Big Data. And I rarely do comment on anything outside my area of expertise. If you find any of my comments incorrect or interesting, I will be more than happy to engage in a conversation with you. This is also third or fourth time an account has been created to reply to my comments. I find it very interesting!

Re: Google CDN Beta is already one of the fastest CDNs

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Post by rajeevk »

obulpathi wrote: post #54
nikolay wrote: post #46

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What "deep understanding" when it works with VMs within GCE only?! This is a marketing description, not a technical one. The features I mentioned are not "niche", they are basic among CDNs and both Google and AWS seem to offer the worse and totally impractical CDNs. Honestly, if Google Cloud offers a CDN comparable with Fastly, I may consider a move, but for a CloudFront copycat (well, a copycat of Gen. 1) - thanks,…

Google Cloud is by far the best Cloud. Beats Aws and other cloud providers by miles margin. Also keeping in mind that a service that just entered beta is the fastest by itself is impressive. I would say, let's wait a while before commenting on features.

Google Cloud is by far the best Cloud.

Any reference for this claim?

Re: Google CDN Beta is already one of the fastest CDNs

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Post by obulpathi »

obulpathi wrote: post #54
nikolay wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What "deep understanding" when it works with VMs within GCE only?! This is a marketing description, not a technical one. The features I mentioned are not "niche", they are basic among CDNs and both Google and AWS seem to offer the worse and totally impractical CDNs. Honestly, if Google Cloud offers a CDN comparable with Fastly, I may consider a move, but for a CloudFront copycat (well, a copycat of Gen. 1) - thanks,…

Google Cloud is by far the best Cloud. Beats Aws and other cloud providers by miles margin. Also keeping in mind that a service that just entered beta is the fastest by itself is impressive. I would say, let's wait a while before commenting on features.

rajeevk, I can not reply to your comment, so posting here. Just take a look at my comments on hn. I compared Aws and Google cloud in terms of ease of use, pricing, open source friendliness, scalability, security, performance etc .. You can find a detail answer as to why I came to this conclusion.

Re: Google CDN Beta is already one of the fastest CDNs

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Post by nikolay »

boulos wrote: post #80
mgnacl wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: retracted, after a closer look at your previous comments.

Aww, he's just excited! He really does work for Monsanto, not Google and if you go back far enough you'll see he's used AWS, GCP, and Open Stack (and seems to enjoy meditation). So he's not some sort of shill, just a happy customer! Disclosure: I work on Compute Engine.

I'm not sure if it's related to his work at Monsanto and the exposure to GMOs and herbicides, but based on his info, he is an obvious case of illeism [0]. I'm joking, of course. :)

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illeism

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