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Re: Europe nearing Google antitrust charges

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post #9

Wait so the EU can have a $7B windfall from a guilty verdict yet they will remain impartial? Nice!

The judges shouldn't be seeing a penny more or less no matter the verdict. If they're bribed that is another matter.

But don't the judges work for the EU?

Re: Europe nearing Google antitrust charges

#12
post #9

Wait so the EU can have a $7B windfall from a guilty verdict yet they will remain impartial? Nice!

The judges shouldn't be seeing a penny more or less no matter the verdict. If they're bribed that is another matter.

Judges may think of their families, communities, and countries; in something of this scale it would be hard to be impartial.

Re: Europe nearing Google antitrust charges

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The judges shouldn't be seeing a penny more or less no matter the verdict. If they're bribed that is another matter.

But don't the judges work for the EU?

Yes, and their job is to interpret the law impartially. It isn't a perfect system. How would you suggest we improve upon it?

Re: Europe nearing Google antitrust charges

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The judges shouldn't be seeing a penny more or less no matter the verdict. If they're bribed that is another matter.

Judges may think of their families, communities, and countries; in something of this scale it would be hard to be impartial.

How much of an effect would $6B really have on the EU? According to Wikipedia[0], their GDP is around $16,800 billion. If I were the judge I wouldn't see any reason to believe my community would derive any measurably benefit from that income.

If a politician came to them and said, "we're going to use that $6B to fund this particular program," well sure, but that would seem to be a subset of bribery.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union

Re: Europe nearing Google antitrust charges

#15
post #9

Wait so the EU can have a $7B windfall from a guilty verdict yet they will remain impartial? Nice!

If you seriously believe in such endemic corruption, you could equally fantasise that Google has enough money to buy a not-guilty verdict, yet the EU will remain impartial?

Re: Europe nearing Google antitrust charges

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But don't the judges work for the EU?

Yes, and their job is to interpret the law impartially. It isn't a perfect system. How would you suggest we improve upon it?

We could create a political body that is outside any of the countries. Everyone that agrees to be part of it will have to respect its decisions.

Once this is setup the world will be united. We can then call it the United Countries or something like that. It's going to be great!

Re: Europe nearing Google antitrust charges

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post #2

I don't understand why Google gets attacked when at least you can install competing services and you can't on iOS. Why does iOS get a pass? If Google built the hardware itself it could lock it down all it wants? That's the reason? You can get Firefox on Android and not on iOS. You can replace almost anything, and on iOS you can't. You can disable many of the default apps on Android, I don't know if you can on iOS.

A few of the responses to your comments have covered a lot, but they miss the primary issue: Apple only controls itself. Through the Android MADA, a confidential contract Google forces OEMs to sign in exchange for the Play Store, Google basically de facto controls the majority of the mobile industry. Google has full veto power over all of their Android-based device and software releases.

Google has a ridiculous amount of power, and if they say jump, everyone in the industry has to ask how high. They've left a bunch of "but technically" loopholes to excuse themselves, but given that it's impossible to sell a SUCCESSFUL Android smartphone without signing their contract, those loopholes don't stand up in court.

Re: Europe nearing Google antitrust charges

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post #9

Wait so the EU can have a $7B windfall from a guilty verdict yet they will remain impartial? Nice!

If you seriously believe in such endemic corruption, you could equally fantasise that Google has enough money to buy a not-guilty verdict, yet the EU will remain impartial?

In fact, in the US, Google HAS bought a non-guilty verdict. The US counterpart of Ms. Vestager is the commissioner of the FTC. For two years, that person was a paid Google spokesperson, and the case against Google that had been building here in the US was found by their staff to have merit, yet quietly buried. As soon as their paid shill stepped down last year, the investigation was reopened.

(Sources can be provided. If you doubt any claim here, please ask!)

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