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How I Deal with Harassment, Abuse, and Crazies in General

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Re: How I Deal with Harassment, Abuse, and Crazies in General

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Dude, this is a forum about startups. I'm not going to be academically precise in my arguments for a huge list of number of reasons. I'm not suggesting that this isn't a complicated issue, but that there are many ways to go about looking at it and a significant amount start with simply listening to those who have issues and go from there. The other steps include treatment and low level understanding, but the step tha…

Just to backtrack - the issue here is whether the word 'crazy' is necessarily insulting or not, regardless of context; I never opened for a discussion about anything else. > I'm not going to be academically precise in my arguments You're the one who mentioned academia. A citation needn't be "academic", it just needs to be anything that demonstrates what you are saying is true. When I put "citation needed" in quotes,…

> And a since it's clear that people in this thread use the word in a way they believe to be benign, I think it's fairly accusatory.

Your either willfully rewriting history or deliberately unaware of the context of this thread.

This thread started because the author was referring to people harassing him as "crazies". It's not a benign usage.

It really sucks that people will go to such lengths to defend hatred.

Re: How I Deal with Harassment, Abuse, and Crazies in General

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post #41

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Except that this time next week / month / year someone will take huge offence to the terms 'weird' or 'bizarre'. This is a witch hunt and the target is any word that can be used to differentiate. We need to remember that we do not have a right to be offended.

No, stop that line of thinking. Please. When someone is called crazy, they're making a parallel to a crazy person on a train screaming about how they didn't take their meds. When someone who has legitimate mental health issues is called crazy, it makes light of a very serious issue that's incredibly difficult. It has next to nothing to do with being offended. We all accept that we have issues that we're mostly able t…

> No, stop that line of thinking. Please.

Caution, Thought Police patrol this area. Please stop thinking. Freedom Of Thought is not allowed.

I'll think whatever I like, thank you very much. I reserve the right to have opinions that differ from yours. I respect the idea that my opinions ought not impinge on your freedoms. I don't have to like a thing to see the sense in it. Yes, we shouldn't go around calling each other names, it might affect a person in a negative way.

I certainly don't have a habit of going around labeling people ... well, actually, I guess I do: we all make internal judgments about people and things we experience. What I mean to say is I tend not to go around calling people words, because who knows how that might affect the other.

Relating to that quote you provided from r/bipolar, what I really want to see is us crazies, I say 'us', because that quote fits me well too. I want to see us crazies "come out"! I'm crazy and I'm proud! We could have a bumper sticker too: I have Mental Health Issues and I vote.

And anyway, to be well-adjusted to an insane society is no measure of health.

In 2014, there were an estimated 43.6 million adults aged 18 or older in the United States with AMI (Any Mental Illness) in the past year. This number represented 18.1% of all U.S. adults.[1]

One in five of the adult population of the US with AMI. Mental Illness is the new normal. I think there's more to this than "illness". In a similar way to how homosexuality used to be labelled an illness, I look forward to a future where we are no longer labelled "ill" but where society acknowledges that we have some pretty serious issues going on on this planet and our individual and collecting stress-coping mechanisms aren't coping. We are a sick society that has been doing a darn good job of wrecking the biosphere, and through profit-driven motives been working to isolate people so they'll buy more. How anyone can think that isn't going to affect our mental health is beyond me.

I believe a lot of the lower-grade chronic mental illness people suffer is a symptom, like a blocked nose is a symptom of a cold virus, mental health issues are a symptom of failing stress-coping systems. And the stressors are real. Modern life is stressful, it's alienating, it's under slept, over worked, it's underpaid, it's in too much debt.

We're overdue for a societal colonic. Nothing like a good shit to help clear the mind.

1. http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/prevalence/any-men...

Re: How I Deal with Harassment, Abuse, and Crazies in General

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Just to backtrack - the issue here is whether the word 'crazy' is necessarily insulting or not, regardless of context; I never opened for a discussion about anything else. > I'm not going to be academically precise in my arguments You're the one who mentioned academia. A citation needn't be "academic", it just needs to be anything that demonstrates what you are saying is true. When I put "citation needed" in quotes,…

> And a since it's clear that people in this thread use the word in a way they believe to be benign, I think it's fairly accusatory. Your either willfully rewriting history or deliberately unaware of the context of this thread. This thread started because the author was referring to people harassing him as "crazies". It's not a benign usage. It really sucks that people will go to such lengths to defend hatred.

> Your either..

false dichotomy. The context of this thread is not the authors harassment; and your example is not a benign usage, but that does not contradict the statement "people in this thread use the word in a way they believe to be benign".

I also believe your post breaks HN guidelines.

Re: How I Deal with Harassment, Abuse, and Crazies in General

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post #41

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No, stop that line of thinking. Please. When someone is called crazy, they're making a parallel to a crazy person on a train screaming about how they didn't take their meds. When someone who has legitimate mental health issues is called crazy, it makes light of a very serious issue that's incredibly difficult. It has next to nothing to do with being offended. We all accept that we have issues that we're mostly able t…

> No, stop that line of thinking. Please. Caution, Thought Police patrol this area. Please stop thinking. Freedom Of Thought is not allowed. I'll think whatever I like, thank you very much. I reserve the right to have opinions that differ from yours. I respect the idea that my opinions ought not impinge on your freedoms. I don't have to like a thing to see the sense in it. Yes, we shouldn't go around calling each oth…

Yes, I fully agree with you that a lot of the symptoms of mental health issues are often symptoms of larger issues. I see this in myself, and I see it in others. Often times, all that's needed is to take vitamin D, less caffeine, stricter diet, environmental changes, etc.

That said, the propensity for those with mental illnesses to resort to drugs, false rationalizations and misinformation to assist in understanding their problems makes these issues very, very difficult and complex for everyone involved. For those with mental health issues, removing those soft and hard dependencies is incredibly difficult, since they're so easy to fall to, on top of their prior problems. You're simplifying an issue without realizing that mental health problems are often only the catalyst that's furthered by forced isolationism. For example, although my own mental health issues seem to have been around since birth, they were only pushed farther, possibly permanently, after being put on amphetamines to aid with the bipolar and its comorbid's symptoms.

And quit the bullshit about thought police. I'm just asking for an attempt at empathy with an attempt to not resort to the usual SJW rhetoric.

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