Pretty obvious from looking at the points and age of this posting that some people have flagged it. I hope some admins are considering removing those flags. Users who flag a post like this shouldn't really have flagging privs.
For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare
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#352Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Asking them five times is almost certainly harassment. Yet this behavior is romanticised is popular culture, and has been from the dawn of time up to and including the present: Oddyseus and Helen of Troy, Shakespeare's "The taming of the shrew", tons of Fred Astaire movies, as well as modern movies like "Ghost", "Life is beautiful", "Chasing Amy", TV shows like "Sex and the city"... I could go on. Lucikly I don't n…
Thank you for not linking to TV Tropes. I've lost a great many hours to that site. :)
(Oblig. http://xkcd.com/609 )
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#353Pretty obvious from looking at the points and age of this posting that some people have flagged it. I hope some admins are considering removing those flags. Users who flag a post like this shouldn't really have flagging privs.
With more comments than upvotes, that might be the case here: http://hnrankings.info/11519205/
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A shirt that depicts women as objects or objectized women is just plain wrong. I do not care about the celebration.
In a more general note about the downvotes about sexism: https://medium.com/@sh4ka/sexism-and-hacker-news-6678897fccc...
Do most of the people reading this thread think it is sexist?
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#355There is an interesting side effect to these issues that I think doesn't get discussed very often. I try to be as aware as possible of these issues in the hope that I can make sure that I'm not part of the problem. As such I make a concerted effort to give anyone that works for me equal opportunities for advancement, and when in doubt I try to err on the side of the person who's in a marginalized class. I also try to…
http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-gray-zon...
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7407280
I think men like you are a big part of the problem and a frustratingly difficult part to try to identify and combat. I have sympathy for the difficult position it puts you in, but your behavior de facto freezes women out and denies them opportunities to make critical connections that are a big part of the problem. I would rather see a world in which people were pretty meh about coworkers getting hot and heavy together and women and men could talk to each other comfortably than the situation we have now.
Best.
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I agree that once it has worked out for folks, it's hard to say, "You shouldn't have done that." But aren't there still costs? Everyone else in the company now gets to wonder whether the lower-ranking person's raises and promotions are due to merit or just because they're in a relationship with the boss. Beyond that, the bigger issue to my eye is that it doesn't always work out. If your boss flirts with you and you a…
All of these scenarios are possible but often they are presented as a certainty. This speaks more towards fears and feelings; I'd be interested to see studies that claim most office romances turn out badly. People are being trained to make these leaps even if there are no facts to back them up. You might _feel_ your boss is treating you differently because she asked you out, but should we all adjust behavior to accom…
My reason for preferring an outright ban on supervisor/employee relationships is that they can have nasty effects on the entire workplace culture, that they can be exploitative or feel exploitative, and that based on many reports neither of these effects is particularly rare. Good leadership can't only be fair, it has to also cultivate a belief among employees that it is fair.
Is there a cost to this in lost opportunities for positive relationships? Absolutely. But even the highest-level executive won't have more than a few thousand people declared "off limits" to them by this: surely that's a drop in the bucket compared to the total population of the cities or communities where they live.
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#357There is an interesting side effect to these issues that I think doesn't get discussed very often. I try to be as aware as possible of these issues in the hope that I can make sure that I'm not part of the problem. As such I make a concerted effort to give anyone that works for me equal opportunities for advancement, and when in doubt I try to err on the side of the person who's in a marginalized class. I also try to…
Please consider reading the following: http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-gray-zon... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7407280 I think men like you are a big part of the problem and a frustratingly difficult part to try to identify and combat. I have sympathy for the difficult position it puts you in, but your behavior de facto freezes women out and denies them opportunities to make critical conn…
He is a human being with a reasonable position, especially if they have a family to support. I don't think its good to "identify" and "combat" people like this. In fact it seems dehumanizing when what we need is more empathy and understanding to get to root issues.
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#359this: > Universities, Mia notes, have protocols for dealing with complaints of sexual harassment seems part of the problem. sexual harassment should be a 'go straight to police' offence, not a hr reprimand. if the problem is as widespread as it's made in the article, it cannot correct from within.
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Please consider reading the following: http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-gray-zon... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7407280 I think men like you are a big part of the problem and a frustratingly difficult part to try to identify and combat. I have sympathy for the difficult position it puts you in, but your behavior de facto freezes women out and denies them opportunities to make critical conn…
I think your word choice is poor here. He is a human being with a reasonable position, especially if they have a family to support. I don't think its good to "identify" and "combat" people like this. In fact it seems dehumanizing when what we need is more empathy and understanding to get to root issues.
Hopefully, the article I linked to says it better. I am the author. It did make the front page of HN when someone other than me chose to post it here. I believe it to be one of the more even handed approaches to the problem space.