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Re: For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare

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Post by Chris2048 » Mon, Apr 18, 2016, 2:41 PM UTC

kelukelugames wrote: post #47

talmand wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it is personal experience but the most sexual jokes I've heard in person in the workplace came from women. And I found them rather funny. But to each their own I guess.

Do you understand the difference between women making sexual jokes and men making them?

Something along the lines of:

“Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.”

? i.e. the context of men doing it is different, because men are violent/threatening/etc.

If so, I can assure you many consider this line of reasoning as unfairly demonising men. If not, can you explain to me the difference?

Re: For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare

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Post by Vaskivo » Mon, Apr 18, 2016, 2:41 PM UTC

kelukelugames wrote: post #47

talmand wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it is personal experience but the most sexual jokes I've heard in person in the workplace came from women. And I found them rather funny. But to each their own I guess.

Do you understand the difference between women making sexual jokes and men making them?

And now you lost me.

Why is it different?

Re: For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare

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Post by pavel_lishin » Mon, Apr 18, 2016, 2:41 PM UTC

mooseburger wrote: post #80

makomk wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The kind of men that have gotten away with it for years and even then kept their jobs (unlike the women they targetted)?

Snark aside, I just wonder why I don't know any men like that in my personal life. The problem seems quite widespread after all.

Is it possible that you do know them, but don't know who they are? After all, if you're a guy, you'll never be the target of harassment - and if they do most of their harassing one-on-one, you may ever witness it, either.

Re: For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare

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Post by CaptSpify » Mon, Apr 18, 2016, 2:42 PM UTC

mooseburger wrote: post #80

makomk wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The kind of men that have gotten away with it for years and even then kept their jobs (unlike the women they targetted)?

Snark aside, I just wonder why I don't know any men like that in my personal life. The problem seems quite widespread after all.

I think you'd be surprised. Guys don't really brag anymore about their sexual conquests to friends (at lease, IME). But given the chance, guys who seem totally cool, and non-sexist, will change at the drop of a hat.

Re: For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare

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Post by robertcope » Mon, Apr 18, 2016, 2:42 PM UTC

mooseburger wrote: post #80

makomk wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The kind of men that have gotten away with it for years and even then kept their jobs (unlike the women they targetted)?

Snark aside, I just wonder why I don't know any men like that in my personal life. The problem seems quite widespread after all.

You're just amazing, that's why! So amazing! Or maybe they hide it well. Or you're just lucky. Or you're just clueless.

Re: For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare

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Post by ainiriand » Mon, Apr 18, 2016, 2:42 PM UTC

corford wrote: post #19

ainiriand wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A shirt that depicts women as objects or objectized women is just plain wrong. I do not care about the celebration.

You do realise the shirt was given to him by a female colleague/friend right?

You do realise that a woman can be wrong about women's rights, right?

Re: For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare

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Post by slazaro » Mon, Apr 18, 2016, 2:43 PM UTC

tantalor wrote: post #72

pc86 wrote: post #10

Can someone explain to me what "nearly over a decade" is supposed to mean?

Nearly a decade, e.g., "9 years".

Then "over" makes no sense, right?

Re: For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare

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Post by aarestad » Mon, Apr 18, 2016, 2:43 PM UTC

tantalor wrote: post #72

pc86 wrote: post #10

Can someone explain to me what "nearly over a decade" is supposed to mean?

Nearly a decade, e.g., "9 years".

or it could mean exactly a decade!

Re: For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare

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Post by blktiger » Mon, Apr 18, 2016, 2:45 PM UTC

mooseburger wrote: post #80

makomk wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The kind of men that have gotten away with it for years and even then kept their jobs (unlike the women they targetted)?

Snark aside, I just wonder why I don't know any men like that in my personal life. The problem seems quite widespread after all.

Maybe it's not actually that widespread? I mean, you always hear about the negative things and never about the positive things. That just the nature of life, the positive things are expected so they don't get mentioned.

Re: For Female Astronomers, Sexual Harassment Is a Constant Nightmare

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Post by SCAQTony » Mon, Apr 18, 2016, 2:45 PM UTC

"...At the time of the survey, Berkeley had two women to 17 men, while MIT had three women to 11 men. At Harvard, there was only one woman compared to 12 men...."

The amount of working female astronomers at a given institution seemed woefully small. One sexual harasser in the bunch could harass 100% of the women. It's hard for me to believe that universities have a monopoly on a-hole men. What seems more believable is that they don't lay down the law like the rest of societal business institutions.