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The New Man of 4chan

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Re: The New Man of 4chan

#11

What was this article really about? Was it more than "I'd like 3000 words on 4chan and toxic masculinity by Friday, please"? There are some baffling omissions. The MRA movement/MGTOW? Gamergate? It just reads as though the writer hasn't much familiarity with the subculture.

Are you seriously relating r9k and 4chan's culture to MRAs and MGTOW?

Really?

Re: The New Man of 4chan

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post #9

There are two important points I think the author of this article doesn't really understand. 1. "4chan" is not a person, a club, a worldview, or even a reputation-based comment aggregator. 4chan is website with a constant, ephemeral stream of anonymous comments, and the "culture" between different boards varies quite significantly. This system makes it especially prone to misrepresentation by a media that does not un…

That's how I read those 4Chan boards. As a kind of internet stream of consciousness. At first I found the racism hard especially with regard to my own...eh...flavour...but after a while you realize most of these people just feel very small and sad. It reminds me of the conversation Jacob Holdt has tried to start about the Ku Klux Klan.

Re: The New Man of 4chan

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post #9

There are two important points I think the author of this article doesn't really understand. 1. "4chan" is not a person, a club, a worldview, or even a reputation-based comment aggregator. 4chan is website with a constant, ephemeral stream of anonymous comments, and the "culture" between different boards varies quite significantly. This system makes it especially prone to misrepresentation by a media that does not un…

This made me remember of when I visited randomly on internet a anti-feminist forum.

I noticed there was a trend, where half of the users just wanted a better world in general, and the other half were extremely violent and hateful... but that hateful half also had the worst personal stories.

One that I thought was particularly interesting, was of a guy that frequently parroted that women are evil, that noone should trust women, and so on, one day in a thread about rape he comments that he was raped, and couldn't get help at all, and that some years later he got a girlfriend, that ended raping him too, and this time when he sought help his treatment was even worse.

I think for a person that was mistreated that way, it is easy to conclude that women are just evil liars and rapists.

The thing is the guy obviously wants help, but he still fails to find it (from comments in several threads I could pick up that he sought help from police, psychologists, psychiatrists, social workers... everyone treated him with hostility, or when they actually belived him, thought it was hilarious/entertaining what happened to him).

Re: The New Man of 4chan

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post #9

There are two important points I think the author of this article doesn't really understand. 1. "4chan" is not a person, a club, a worldview, or even a reputation-based comment aggregator. 4chan is website with a constant, ephemeral stream of anonymous comments, and the "culture" between different boards varies quite significantly. This system makes it especially prone to misrepresentation by a media that does not un…

I think an important aspect that seems to get missed is that it's almost all blatantly meant to be humorous, no matter how dark it gets, or how incomprehensible to outsiders.

Re: The New Man of 4chan

#15

What was this article really about? Was it more than "I'd like 3000 words on 4chan and toxic masculinity by Friday, please"? There are some baffling omissions. The MRA movement/MGTOW? Gamergate? It just reads as though the writer hasn't much familiarity with the subculture.

Are you seriously relating r9k and 4chan's culture to MRAs and MGTOW? Really?

Do you go on the /chon/ much?

It's an extremely common topic across boards

Re: The New Man of 4chan

#16
Wait - there are people who take stuff posted on tumblr and 4chan seriously?

I purely visit those two places for entertainment. Sure it's a bit repetitive, but the sheer absurdity makes me laugh and that's good enough for me.

Re: The New Man of 4chan

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post #9

There are two important points I think the author of this article doesn't really understand. 1. "4chan" is not a person, a club, a worldview, or even a reputation-based comment aggregator. 4chan is website with a constant, ephemeral stream of anonymous comments, and the "culture" between different boards varies quite significantly. This system makes it especially prone to misrepresentation by a media that does not un…

Yeah, the aside about geeks winning economically was a bit of a tell. They are, kind of, but only a couple hundred thousand, from boomers to 22 year olds. Most are doing pretty bad.

Re: The New Man of 4chan

#18

What was this article really about? Was it more than "I'd like 3000 words on 4chan and toxic masculinity by Friday, please"? There are some baffling omissions. The MRA movement/MGTOW? Gamergate? It just reads as though the writer hasn't much familiarity with the subculture.

Those omissions would confound things. While some MRAs talk about 'betas', not so many advocate explicit violence or 'uprisings'. And Gamer-Gate is another thing entirely - mentioning it would be explicit stereotyping.

Re: The New Man of 4chan

#19

What was this article really about? Was it more than "I'd like 3000 words on 4chan and toxic masculinity by Friday, please"? There are some baffling omissions. The MRA movement/MGTOW? Gamergate? It just reads as though the writer hasn't much familiarity with the subculture.

I dunno, the author seems to have a pretty good handle on both the circa-oughts 4chan and '12-'13 Tumblr feminism I remember.

Re: The New Man of 4chan

#20

What was this article really about? Was it more than "I'd like 3000 words on 4chan and toxic masculinity by Friday, please"? There are some baffling omissions. The MRA movement/MGTOW? Gamergate? It just reads as though the writer hasn't much familiarity with the subculture.

4chan doesn't allow GamerGate discussion. So anyone wanting to discuss it goes to 8chan instead, which is somehow less moderated than 4chan.
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