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How I Deal with Harassment, Abuse, and Crazies in General

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Re: How I Deal with Harassment, Abuse, and Crazies in General

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, though "crazies" is the likely candidate.

Decent treatment: https://www.quora.com/Is-crazy-a-slur Personally, crazy the noun is worse than crazy the adjective.

Utterly unpersuasive. The reasoning in that Quora response means that "harasser" and "wrong" are also slurs, because the Quora response equates denigration with "slur territory".

As an ongoing fact in my life, I've noticed that (a) I use words like "crazy" in broad and insulting ways, and that (b) some people seem to complain about it. And I'm open to being persuaded that I ought to change my ways. But I haven't yet heard an argument that persuades me.

It seems to me that the whole notion of "craziness" or of "mental instability" or even "mental health issue" etc is the notion of socially-atypical behaviour that the speaker judges to be harmful or undesirable (as contrasted with "eccentric", etc). If I hear someone say "that's crazy", I assume they mean "that's weird and I disapprove". (I haven't quite nailed it down. There's a bit more nuance here, in that if someone says "that's crazy", and then someone else says "it's not crazy, it's evil", then you can imagine the first persona conceding the point... so clearly "crazy" sometimes implies a certain degree of helplessness in the bad-weirdness.)

Do you think "crazy" means something fundamentally different from this? Do you actually think it makes sense for people to stop observing that behaviours or people are atypical, or stop observing that they disapprove of particular instances of weirdness?

At this risk of going on a tangent, here's a tangent. Sometimes advocates for people with mental health issues note that it does not make sense to fear folks with mental issues, because such people are more likely to be the target of violence than the perpetrator. What a hilarious fail. I assume that it's true that such people are more likely to be the target than the perpetrator, but I don't care. I care about whether they're more likely to endanger me than an apparently-not-sane person is to endanger me. It's not some kind of zero sum game where being crazy makes a person more endangered and thereby makes them less dangerous to others than they would be if non-crazy.

Re: How I Deal with Harassment, Abuse, and Crazies in General

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post #15

There's a simple solution: Don't use real names online. That eliminates meatspace threats, if done properly. And then compartmentalize. For risky stuff, create new personas. In worst case, just burn them down.

> There's a simple solution: Don't use real names online. Tell that to Facebook.

There's a simple solution: don't use Facebook.

Re: How I Deal with Harassment, Abuse, and Crazies in General

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post #15

There's a simple solution: Don't use real names online. That eliminates meatspace threats, if done properly. And then compartmentalize. For risky stuff, create new personas. In worst case, just burn them down.

> There's a simple solution: Don't use real names online. Tell that to Facebook.

There are work-arounds. Not easy, mind you, but doable. Mostly only scammers will bother.

Re: How I Deal with Harassment, Abuse, and Crazies in General

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post #15

There's a simple solution: Don't use real names online. That eliminates meatspace threats, if done properly. And then compartmentalize. For risky stuff, create new personas. In worst case, just burn them down.

When you have a company, your name and contact is on every commerce registry document.

Re: How I Deal with Harassment, Abuse, and Crazies in General

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post #15

There's a simple solution: Don't use real names online. That eliminates meatspace threats, if done properly. And then compartmentalize. For risky stuff, create new personas. In worst case, just burn them down.

That's good advice. But it's not a sure thing because most people will make mistakes. Or maybe their friends will.

Re: How I Deal with Harassment, Abuse, and Crazies in General

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post #15

There's a simple solution: Don't use real names online. That eliminates meatspace threats, if done properly. And then compartmentalize. For risky stuff, create new personas. In worst case, just burn them down.

Most people are terrible at OPSEC. If your online persona is used long enough and garners enough attention your real identity will almost certainly become known (extreme example: Ross Ubricht).

This is compounded by the fact that people tend to say things they wouldn't otherwise say if they knew they weren't anonymous.

The other issue is it's harder to capitalize on the reputation of online personas in the real world, if you care about that sort of thing.

If you don't care about reputation online or offline then just generating new identities on a regular basis could work well.

Re: How I Deal with Harassment, Abuse, and Crazies in General

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> Crazies in General I wonder if, given the social unacceptability of mental illness, it will ever be socially unacceptable to slur mental illness.

I don't see a slur there.

I have bipolar II and definitely see it as a slur.

See, I go into hypomanic states and do things that are what you'd typically see from a "crazy" person. Buzzing my head, getting into bad financial situations, intense obsession, etc. When I do those things, I'm usually aware that what I'm doing isn't 'normal', but since the rationalizations flow pretty thick, the corrections are nearly impossible to act on. Medication helps, but everything I've tried has significant side effects that are almost as bad as the illness itself. Being called crazy, or receiving comments or looks that imply craziness rather than applying basic empathy skills... fucking sucks.

"Hah, what are you, schitzophrenic?" "That guy's nuts" "Why would you do that, are you insane?" "Noise sensitivity? That's fucking weird.." "I'm quitting because people are calling me crazy my back. It's just childish.." "What? Grow a thicker skin!"

It's out of our control and we do the best that we can to avoid the problems we have, so being called "crazy" is just another slap in the face. It effects our daily lives, our job prospects and, well, every aspect in our life. It's similar to issues of race, regligion, etc, but since it's an enormous aspect of our thought process, it's just.. different, so the social stigmas are almost incomparable. Not to mention that it has a near identical stigma to a homeless person screaming on a train. It fucking sucks.

Re: How I Deal with Harassment, Abuse, and Crazies in General

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Decent treatment: https://www.quora.com/Is-crazy-a-slur Personally, crazy the noun is worse than crazy the adjective.

Utterly unpersuasive. The reasoning in that Quora response means that "harasser" and "wrong" are also slurs, because the Quora response equates denigration with "slur territory". As an ongoing fact in my life, I've noticed that (a) I use words like "crazy" in broad and insulting ways, and that (b) some people seem to complain about it. And I'm open to being persuaded that I ought to change my ways. But I haven't yet…

As someone who's called "crazy" because of mental health issues, I use "crazy" all the time to describe things that are colloquially "out of this world". That said, I would never, ever use that word to describe another person. It's a very, very harsh word that I, and others, unfortunately hear very often. Like I said in a previous comment, it fucking sucks to hear. Usually it's from a third party telling me after the fact, which for some reason, makes it sound even worse - probably because it took a lot to get that person to even bring it up.

Re: How I Deal with Harassment, Abuse, and Crazies in General

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Decent treatment: https://www.quora.com/Is-crazy-a-slur Personally, crazy the noun is worse than crazy the adjective.

Utterly unpersuasive. The reasoning in that Quora response means that "harasser" and "wrong" are also slurs, because the Quora response equates denigration with "slur territory". As an ongoing fact in my life, I've noticed that (a) I use words like "crazy" in broad and insulting ways, and that (b) some people seem to complain about it. And I'm open to being persuaded that I ought to change my ways. But I haven't yet…

"Crazy" even when not strictly about mental health implies lack of self-control or good judgement, which will be insulting for people who pride themselves in self-control and good judgement.

"Weird" or "bizarre" is perhaps a little more neutral.

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