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Re: Uber wants access to browsing history, bookmarks, and running apps

#71
This permission should just simply not exist. I had two games and an another app. The browsing history was, in this case, used for targetting ads. I did not need the apps and uninstalled the apps (it was around 2 years ago, on previous version of Android I think).

The apps on Android should be sandboxed and not be given this kind of permissions, that's all.

Re: Uber wants access to browsing history, bookmarks, and running apps

#72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either that's not entirely truthful, or the app permission system is totally broken... Need to find out when you last opened the app? "Get running apps"...?

I don't even understand why they need local access to figure this out. Poll the web API for last_login and be done with it. Surely they're already tracking and storing this kind of data on their end.

It's so they can quickly switch between the most recently used maps application like Waze or Google Maps for drivers.

Re: Uber wants access to browsing history, bookmarks, and running apps

#73

Very unnecessary overreach on android permissions.. Will be interesting to see how many of the fans of uber here on hn will try to spin this. Just forwarded to some friends, they are uninstalling the rogue app as I type this!

Isn't permission overreach du rigueur on Android? Seriously, I thought that this was a preferred engineering pattern on Android due to platform weirdness or something.

Pretty sure you mean "de rigueur".

Re: Uber wants access to browsing history, bookmarks, and running apps

#74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either that's not entirely truthful, or the app permission system is totally broken... Need to find out when you last opened the app? "Get running apps"...?

This page has more detail on Android's permissions model: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/security/permissio... I don't really understand the point of having fine-grained permissions (like READ_CONTACTS), when the user only sees broader permission groups. Can someone shed light on this?

"Simplified Permissions" is a relatively new feature of the Play Store and only gives you general permission categories. It was probably changed from the older specific permissions to make it less complex for people who didn't care as much. Note that PackageInstaller still shows all permissions, which is used when clicking on an apk or using a 3rd party app store (like F-Droid). Due to backwards compatibility, this can't be changed easily at the OS level.

Re: Uber wants access to browsing history, bookmarks, and running apps

#75

Multiple comments here parroting the "this is a non-issue on Lollipop or later" defense. Per Android's own statistics [1], that leaves 60% of users vulnerable to excessive permissions. 1: http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html

Regardless of whether it's a non-issue on Lollipop (or later) or not, it exhibits the intent of Uber.

And google is no less: https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2015/06/google-ch...

Re: Uber wants access to browsing history, bookmarks, and running apps

#76
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Sadly, 98% of folks will blindly accept this.

I'd venture to guess the number is likely closer to 99.9999%

Right. I remember hearing from somebody about Google Now recently. The guy was happy that it reminds him of bills etc., added that it even gets the amount and due date from the "emails" and "reminds".

Frankly, a vast majority (99.99%+) don't care.

Re: Uber wants access to browsing history, bookmarks, and running apps

#77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either that's not entirely truthful, or the app permission system is totally broken... Need to find out when you last opened the app? "Get running apps"...?

This page has more detail on Android's permissions model: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/security/permissio... I don't really understand the point of having fine-grained permissions (like READ_CONTACTS), when the user only sees broader permission groups. Can someone shed light on this?

It wasn't always this way. The individual permissions used to be displayed to the user directly; newer releases of the Play Store have "streamlined" this permissions prompt so that users see general permissions "groups", and some permissions (such as INTERNET) are considered "not dangerous", requiring a click on the "See all permissions" button to view everything the app requests.

I imagine it's because Google recognized the general insanity of the system, and presenting fewer "scary" permissions improved conversion rates.

Then they threw the whole system out with Android 6.0, moving to a much more sane flow for everyone involved, where the user is able to grant or deny individual permissions at runtime.

Re: Uber wants access to browsing history, bookmarks, and running apps

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post #75

Multiple comments here parroting the "this is a non-issue on Lollipop or later" defense. Per Android's own statistics [1], that leaves 60% of users vulnerable to excessive permissions. 1: http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html

Regardless of whether it's a non-issue on Lollipop (or later) or not, it exhibits the intent of Uber. And google is no less: https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2015/06/google-ch...

No, it really doesn't. It's a fundamental flaw in the earlier Android permissions model that it requests so much.

Uber doesn't try to pull anything like this on iOS.

Re: Uber wants access to browsing history, bookmarks, and running apps

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post #75

Multiple comments here parroting the "this is a non-issue on Lollipop or later" defense. Per Android's own statistics [1], that leaves 60% of users vulnerable to excessive permissions. 1: http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html

Regardless of whether it's a non-issue on Lollipop (or later) or not, it exhibits the intent of Uber. And google is no less: https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2015/06/google-ch...

And what intent are you implying? Is it not possible that they request these permissions to improve the functionality of the application, and do not in fact actively spy on their users?

Re: Uber wants access to browsing history, bookmarks, and running apps

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There's an Android mod which deals with apps like that. They can try to read all the user's info, but what they get is all phony.

that should be the default... but of course Google is complicit...

Given enough incentive, Google might even be willing to issue a patch to allow permissions to apps that were not possible otherwise.
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