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Re: MATE Desktop Environment

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Post by pjmlp » Sat, Apr 16, 2016, 9:55 AM UTC

noobermin wrote: post #36

bpicolo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These Linux desktops are still not nearly as clean, pretty and smooth an experience as Mac/Windows.

Sorry, but at best, this is just your personal experience. At worst, this is a damned lie. I don't mean to attack you, but I do mean to vehemently attack this sentiment. I feel I have to because this perspective is pushed so often with little push back from the other side...and believing it lead to my own personal detriment. I recently bought a macbook after being a gnome 3 user for a few years. I had heard the aneco…

Mac OS X is surely UNIX.

Apparently many seem to live in GNU/Linux land without trying one of those thousand variants of UNIX. What a change in regards to the early 2000's.

In any case, no desktop savy user will care about those issues.

Re: MATE Desktop Environment

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Post by _pmf_ » Sat, Apr 16, 2016, 11:50 AM UTC

cisstrd wrote: post #4

hmmh without trying to talk negatively about it, why is this on front page? am I missing something here? What happened: people who were dissatisfied with gnome 3.x forked gnome 2 (a long time ago), created the Mate Desktop Environment, and that's pretty much it. somewhat ancient history and the site has nothing of particular interest to offer... (no revolutionary milestone or anything of that sort)

> hmmh without trying to talk negatively about it, why is this on front page? am I missing something here?

The submitter probably forgot that HN is for bleeding edge JS frameworks only.

Re: MATE Desktop Environment

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Post by iammyIP » Sat, Apr 16, 2016, 12:44 PM UTC

chris_wot wrote: post #8

I'm curious now what stops people from using Linux on the desktop. There were significant issues a few years ago, but they now appear to be addressed. What are the problems with Linux on the desktop?

Ignorance and lazyness stops people from using linux. The thing about linux is that it's the best free system we have. It does not matter how good it works or that there is no photoshop. It's important that you don't want to live with your operating-system-parents anymore. No eula clicking. No legal reminders. No forced out of your hands actions. You can change, improve and break the shitty system like you want to. That's much more valuable than anything these ultimately pathetic and full on consumerist corporate systems could ever offer.

Re: MATE Desktop Environment

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Post by bpicolo » Sat, Apr 16, 2016, 2:13 PM UTC

noobermin wrote: post #36

bpicolo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These Linux desktops are still not nearly as clean, pretty and smooth an experience as Mac/Windows.

Sorry, but at best, this is just your personal experience. At worst, this is a damned lie. I don't mean to attack you, but I do mean to vehemently attack this sentiment. I feel I have to because this perspective is pushed so often with little push back from the other side...and believing it lead to my own personal detriment. I recently bought a macbook after being a gnome 3 user for a few years. I had heard the aneco…

I'm not referring at all to how capable it is at *nix. I'm referring exclusively to UI polish. That's why I have Windows on the list as well.

Re: MATE Desktop Environment

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Post by cisstrd » Sat, Apr 16, 2016, 2:24 PM UTC

desdiv wrote: post #43

cisstrd wrote: post #4

hmmh without trying to talk negatively about it, why is this on front page? am I missing something here? What happened: people who were dissatisfied with gnome 3.x forked gnome 2 (a long time ago), created the Mate Desktop Environment, and that's pretty much it. somewhat ancient history and the site has nothing of particular interest to offer... (no revolutionary milestone or anything of that sort)

That just means you weren't one of the ten thousand[0] today. But rest assured, there were thousands of readers who weren't aware of Mate before and are now. [0] https://xkcd.com/1053/

not at all my intention to poke fun at anyone though, it's hard to judge if something which is common knowledge for oneself might not be well known in general

Re: MATE Desktop Environment

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Post by grimoald » Sat, Apr 16, 2016, 2:43 PM UTC

nailer wrote: post #60

swayvil wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Caja and Pluma is awkward.

Or just File Manager or whatever the other thing does. One of the things that isn't so great is dealing with every small piece of software having its own branding.

Please not. When I have a problem with a program I want to know what to type into Google. I'm using LXDE and in some apps you won't even see its name in the about window.

Re: MATE Desktop Environment

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Post by noobermin » Sat, Apr 16, 2016, 5:54 PM UTC

bpicolo wrote: post #64

noobermin wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but at best, this is just your personal experience. At worst, this is a damned lie. I don't mean to attack you, but I do mean to vehemently attack this sentiment. I feel I have to because this perspective is pushed so often with little push back from the other side...and believing it lead to my own personal detriment. I recently bought a macbook after being a gnome 3 user for a few years. I had heard the aneco…

I'm not referring at all to how capable it is at *nix. I'm referring exclusively to UI polish. That's why I have Windows on the list as well.

Alright. One thing I admit is better is as I said, types just look better on os x although ubuntu's font rendering isn't that bad. Other than that, what UI polish are you talking about? I ask because I don't see it. Same goes compared to windows

Re: MATE Desktop Environment

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Post by noobermin » Sat, Apr 16, 2016, 5:58 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #61

noobermin wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but at best, this is just your personal experience. At worst, this is a damned lie. I don't mean to attack you, but I do mean to vehemently attack this sentiment. I feel I have to because this perspective is pushed so often with little push back from the other side...and believing it lead to my own personal detriment. I recently bought a macbook after being a gnome 3 user for a few years. I had heard the aneco…

Mac OS X is surely UNIX. Apparently many seem to live in GNU/Linux land without trying one of those thousand variants of UNIX. What a change in regards to the early 2000's. In any case, no desktop savy user will care about those issues.

I personally find gnome 3's window and workspace management superior to osx's. The idea is that one gesture/motion gives you all windows and workspaces. Also, reassigning windows in gnome 3 to different workspaces is smoother than mac osx's.

That isn't a cli thing, that's a gui thing. A desktop savy user may care about such things...you're assuming very little about what desktop users can take advantage of.

Re: MATE Desktop Environment

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Post by superobserver » Sat, Apr 16, 2016, 8:01 PM UTC

chris_wot wrote: post #8

I'm curious now what stops people from using Linux on the desktop. There were significant issues a few years ago, but they now appear to be addressed. What are the problems with Linux on the desktop?

Average users cannot be bothered with the plethora of custom options available. They "just want it to work" and not apply thoughts to how to navigate an unfamiliar UI.

I'd be quite confident in saying if there was a Windows 7/10 style UI for GNU/Linux, you'd have people more comfortable with making the switch. Ubuntu Linux has made strides in locking things down and simplifying the UI for average (non-power) users.

The first big step to making Linux the desktop platform of choice will involve simplification by a large margin, i.e., appealing to the lowest common denominator and then building up from there.

Most Linux desktops simply don't have that.

Re: MATE Desktop Environment

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Post by loeg » Sun, Apr 17, 2016, 1:58 AM UTC

grimoald wrote: post #66

nailer wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or just File Manager or whatever the other thing does. One of the things that isn't so great is dealing with every small piece of software having its own branding.

Please not. When I have a problem with a program I want to know what to type into Google. I'm using LXDE and in some apps you won't even see its name in the about window.

Yes, exactly. A unique name for a given codebase lets me google for documentation and source code. "Disk Utility" doesn't help nearly as much as "palimpsest."