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Re: At Tampa Bay farm-to-table restaurants, you’re being fed fiction

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Post by smacktoward »

mindcrime wrote: post #16
hayksaakian wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's super subjective until the government defines it and regulates it (read penalize mis-labeling).

it's super subjective until the government defines it and regulates it (read penalize mis-labeling). reply Yeah, once the government gets involved, it'll still be all lies, but it'll be legal because somebody paid off the right regulator, or because the regulator owns shares in the restaurant, etc. And then this kind of thing will be used as a weapon to inhibit the entry of new competitors into the market, to the ben…

You're overly cynical. Nobody in the United States worries about buying adulterated milk, or medications that are actually mixtures of flavored syrup and radium, or bread that uses sawdust as a cheap filler, because there's clear standards for what something labeled as "milk" or "bread" means and regulators with the power to enforce those standards.

Lots of other countries don't have those things, which is how things like this happen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal

Re: At Tampa Bay farm-to-table restaurants, you’re being fed fiction

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Post by shkkmo »

brianwawok wrote: post #21
wyldfire wrote: post #9

> “It’s really hard to find non-GMO produce,” Moran said. Aside from the IP problems of patent-infringement-via-unintended-germination, I don't understand what's not to like about GMO. GMO seems like a great idea -- modern human medicine seems to include techniques that are similar to or just-short-of "GMO." Are there any HNers who can articulate what they don't like about GMO?

> modern human medicine seems to include techniques that are similar to or just-short-of "GMO." I think that is actually the root of the problem for some people, including me. I have seen what modern medicine does to people. "You cholesterol is too high, take this statin and your number will get better. Don't take it and you will have a heart attack". And then you have family members and friends take the drugs, and s…

I'd be fine with buying GMO food if the genome were FLOS, in fact I think we should mandate all organisms sold for food should have an FLOS genome.

I think GMO is a critical tool to solving the climate and population growth problems we face.

Re: At Tampa Bay farm-to-table restaurants, you’re being fed fiction

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Post by Fomite »

School-Cotton wrote: post #2

I've never understood what "farm-to-table" means. Doesn't all food come from a farm? Is it supposed to mean "farm owned by a stereotypical farmer, not by a corporation?" If so, that's pretty vague and subjective.

The idea is that it's not "Farm-to-distributor-to-other-distributor-to-table". There's supposed to be a clarity in the supply chain.

Re: At Tampa Bay farm-to-table restaurants, you’re being fed fiction

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Post by 5ilv3r »

wyldfire wrote: post #9

> “It’s really hard to find non-GMO produce,” Moran said. Aside from the IP problems of patent-infringement-via-unintended-germination, I don't understand what's not to like about GMO. GMO seems like a great idea -- modern human medicine seems to include techniques that are similar to or just-short-of "GMO." Are there any HNers who can articulate what they don't like about GMO?

It's really just a distrust in the promise that industry will make food better.

Re: At Tampa Bay farm-to-table restaurants, you’re being fed fiction

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Post by alva »

A great bit of journalism here, hopefully it reaches a lot of eyes. I think that the fines levied on restaurants that are knowingly deceiving their customers should be much higher. The articles states $300 is the fine for first-time offenders, this is hardly much of a deterrence considering the premiums placed on 'locally sourced' dishes.

If you want to get a good feel of how much proper locally grown food is, pop in to a butchers. It costs £15/$21 for a single t-bone, but man is it worth it. I think we are too used to eating sub-standard meats/fish as we want to consume it more often.

Re: At Tampa Bay farm-to-table restaurants, you’re being fed fiction

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Post by beachstartup »

alva wrote: post #35

A great bit of journalism here, hopefully it reaches a lot of eyes. I think that the fines levied on restaurants that are knowingly deceiving their customers should be much higher. The articles states $300 is the fine for first-time offenders, this is hardly much of a deterrence considering the premiums placed on 'locally sourced' dishes. If you want to get a good feel of how much proper locally grown food is, pop in…

yes, it is worth it, and ... the cost of a high quality steak reflects how often you should probably be eating steak. i.e. not very often.

Re: At Tampa Bay farm-to-table restaurants, you’re being fed fiction

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Post by monknomo »

PedroBatista wrote: post #28
brianwawok wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something like 30% of fish sold isn't the fish on the label. Being illegal and being able to do something about it? No always the same. Sure if your swap killed a bunch of people, you would get caught. Who is going to instantly die form eating a GMO though?

Isn't the some kind of Government Agency that buys random stuff from supermarkets/suppliers, tests the food and inspects the label? The same for restaurant inspections? Its not that expensive and it sends a clear message to these people.

I don't believe anybody does that, let alone the government. Restaurant inspections check to make sure the restaurants are hygienic and safe, not that the food matches the label.

Re: At Tampa Bay farm-to-table restaurants, you’re being fed fiction

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Post by beachstartup »

brianwawok wrote: post #21
wyldfire wrote: post #9

> “It’s really hard to find non-GMO produce,” Moran said. Aside from the IP problems of patent-infringement-via-unintended-germination, I don't understand what's not to like about GMO. GMO seems like a great idea -- modern human medicine seems to include techniques that are similar to or just-short-of "GMO." Are there any HNers who can articulate what they don't like about GMO?

> modern human medicine seems to include techniques that are similar to or just-short-of "GMO." I think that is actually the root of the problem for some people, including me. I have seen what modern medicine does to people. "You cholesterol is too high, take this statin and your number will get better. Don't take it and you will have a heart attack". And then you have family members and friends take the drugs, and s…

i've had doctors surprised that i refused to take opiates to treat some pain. and what do you know, there was an alternative medication that was way less harmful, and only required a $25 shot.

it's fucking ridiculous how hard they push expensive pills.

Re: At Tampa Bay farm-to-table restaurants, you’re being fed fiction

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Post by ChrisDutrow »

wyldfire wrote: post #9

> “It’s really hard to find non-GMO produce,” Moran said. Aside from the IP problems of patent-infringement-via-unintended-germination, I don't understand what's not to like about GMO. GMO seems like a great idea -- modern human medicine seems to include techniques that are similar to or just-short-of "GMO." Are there any HNers who can articulate what they don't like about GMO?

It does sound like a "throw the baby out with the bath water" scenario.

In theory, GMOs could be more healthy than not GMO.

In practice, this has not happened. The objectives instead have been to increase crop yield. The side effects have been to make the plants more toxic in very subtle ways that are hard to track and take decades for people to show symptoms.

Maybe in a few more decades we'll see "good" GMOs.

It should also be noted that many of the problems with GMOs are shared by crops that have simply been selectively bred for a long time... which is most crops that we eat a lot of...

Re: At Tampa Bay farm-to-table restaurants, you’re being fed fiction

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Post by SilasX »

brianwawok wrote: post #21
wyldfire wrote: post #9

> “It’s really hard to find non-GMO produce,” Moran said. Aside from the IP problems of patent-infringement-via-unintended-germination, I don't understand what's not to like about GMO. GMO seems like a great idea -- modern human medicine seems to include techniques that are similar to or just-short-of "GMO." Are there any HNers who can articulate what they don't like about GMO?

> modern human medicine seems to include techniques that are similar to or just-short-of "GMO." I think that is actually the root of the problem for some people, including me. I have seen what modern medicine does to people. "You cholesterol is too high, take this statin and your number will get better. Don't take it and you will have a heart attack". And then you have family members and friends take the drugs, and s…

Sorry for the free plug for a guy who comes off as (and in many ways is) a crank, but that's almost verbatim the health policy preferred by Nicholas Taleb (of Black Swan /Anti-fragile fame):

- Be very conservative in what foods/medicines you use, limiting yourself to those with a proven track record.

- Ignore warnings about specific figures (e.g. cholesterol, blood pressure) if you're otherwise healthy and active.

- If you have a terminal condition, take risky treatments since you have little to lose.

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