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Re: Visual Studio Code 1.0

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Post by samuell »

yisheng wrote: post #20

Are there any emacs/vim users here who moved to GUI editors like atom or VS code? I would like to know what potential gains could come from using a GUI text editor.

I have moved part-time from vim to vscode, for Go work.

Some reasons:

- Having the full type info for every single thing in the code with simply hovering over it (not just when typing)

- Ability to "peak at definition", to get a little interspersed window with the definition of functions etc, embedded right into your editor.

- Out-of-the box file tree with single click opening, and window management (I use a lot of powerful vim commands, but window management just was too much for my head).

- Maybe something more I've forgot.

In general, the out-of-the box experience is so much greater than vim. I know you can replicate most of the above with a super-fancy setup, but I just don't find the time to get my head around much more than http://github.com/fatih/vim-go and a few personal .vimrc tweaks.

Now as others have mentioned, I just hope for a more feature-complete vim-mode in VSCode.

Re: Visual Studio Code 1.0

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Post by mjt0229 »

Analemma_ wrote: post #43
mjt0229 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? VSCode has already transformed the way code was written on Unix/Linux? I beg to differ. 10 years ago (when I discovered Eclipse, not sure when it was originally released), Eclipse was a staggering leap forward for Java programming. I'm no Eclipse fan, but I don't think that VSCode has already changed the world in the way that Eclipse did, and certainly not in its short lifespan.

I think what the parent meant was that VSC (along with Atom, and to lesser extent SublimeText) is a good example of "the middle way" that is rapidly gaining popularity. First we had console editors, but they weren't powerful enough, especially for newer languages/frameworks. Then we had full IDEs (VS/Eclipse/IntelliJ), but they got to be slow and clunky. Now the trend is toward "enhanced text editors" (VSC/Atom/ST):…

What I'm taking issue with is the description of VSC as "changing the way we code on Unix/Linux". Given your interpretation, Atom and SublimeText and other tools predate VSC and fill much the same role. So I don't see VSC as being transformative in that way. That's not to say it might not be a nice tool, but it's not a revolution either.

Re: Visual Studio Code 1.0

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Post by x0x0 »

TranquilMarmot wrote: post #46
yisheng wrote: post #20

Are there any emacs/vim users here who moved to GUI editors like atom or VS code? I would like to know what potential gains could come from using a GUI text editor.

I use both VS Code and Vim very heavily every day and, honestly, there aren't really any gains or losses when switching between the two. I use VS Code when I'm working in one codebase because it has a nice tree view of the files and has a pretty nice "working files" feature where you can easily switch between files you're working on (I usually have five or six files I'm working on at any given time; sometimes in Vim…

why do you prefer using tmux to edit multiple files vs using vim to edit multiple files in vim tabs?

Re: Visual Studio Code 1.0

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Post by thewhitetulip »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #50
thewhitetulip wrote: post #24

VSCode has done the thing that nobody expected MS to do, change the way code was written on Unix/Linux. I love linux/unix, but the problem always was with the lack of an awesome text editor cum IDE, yep there is eclipse but it is too clunky, I do not like sublime as it isn't FOSS (call me crazy), gedit took way too much memory, geany is fast and mean but the UI sucks plus functionality isn't that great. Enter VSCode,…

Ummm, no. VS Code is a decent editor, nothing more. It certainly doesn't transform the way code is written on Unix/Linux. Vim and Emacs are still superior if you want to put the time in, and both have non-terminal interfaces. They can also be both customized to be whatever you want them to be, there's not really a limit to their functionality except what plugins are already written. Ditto for Atom, though of course,…

That's what, gone are the days when we'd spend hours and hours to learn the little little ways of vi and the myriad functions in emacs. Now we need to get things done, can't afford to sit down and study the entire functions of vi and emacs. I don't mean to troll but after switching to vscode and the go plugin I learned go webdev and wrote this small intro book, http://github.com/thewhitetulip/web-dev-golang-anti-textbook...

That is the power of vscode, it provided a good enough way to play with code, yes not outright innovation, but an awesome text editor nonetheless.

Re: Visual Studio Code 1.0

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Post by mrnd »

ultramancool wrote: post #40
thewhitetulip wrote: post #24

VSCode has done the thing that nobody expected MS to do, change the way code was written on Unix/Linux. I love linux/unix, but the problem always was with the lack of an awesome text editor cum IDE, yep there is eclipse but it is too clunky, I do not like sublime as it isn't FOSS (call me crazy), gedit took way too much memory, geany is fast and mean but the UI sucks plus functionality isn't that great. Enter VSCode,…

Atom was around before VSCode and they feel roughly equivalent to me, no? They're both web browser based even... I'm a heavy IDE and Emacs guy though, so perhaps I'm missing something.

I've been using both Atom and VSCode over the past few months and gradually got to the point where I just prefer VSCode. It's hard to pinpoint a specific reason, but it feels faster and a little more polished.

Re: Visual Studio Code 1.0

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Post by Mikeb85 »

thewhitetulip wrote: post #54
Mikeb85 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ummm, no. VS Code is a decent editor, nothing more. It certainly doesn't transform the way code is written on Unix/Linux. Vim and Emacs are still superior if you want to put the time in, and both have non-terminal interfaces. They can also be both customized to be whatever you want them to be, there's not really a limit to their functionality except what plugins are already written. Ditto for Atom, though of course,…

That's what, gone are the days when we'd spend hours and hours to learn the little little ways of vi and the myriad functions in emacs. Now we need to get things done, can't afford to sit down and study the entire functions of vi and emacs. I don't mean to troll but after switching to vscode and the go plugin I learned go webdev and wrote this small intro book, http://github.com/thewhitetulip/web-dev-golang-anti-text…

Atom has a great Go plugin: linting, context aware completion, fixes code style on save, etc..., all powered by Go's command line tools.

I'm not saying Vim and Emacs are the be-all (I program mostly in R, so RStudio is my main tool), only that VS Code hasn't changed anything fundamentally. It's just a good editor.

Re: Visual Studio Code 1.0

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Post by thewhitetulip »

antiffan wrote: post #41
thewhitetulip wrote: post #24

VSCode has done the thing that nobody expected MS to do, change the way code was written on Unix/Linux. I love linux/unix, but the problem always was with the lack of an awesome text editor cum IDE, yep there is eclipse but it is too clunky, I do not like sublime as it isn't FOSS (call me crazy), gedit took way too much memory, geany is fast and mean but the UI sucks plus functionality isn't that great. Enter VSCode,…

What was lacking in Atom for you?

it starts with the speed, atom is clunky and slow. If I do not have any other alternative them Atom is good enough, but geany and vscode are way way better than atom. I'd rather do all fancy plugin stuff of atom using python and use geany than use Atom because of its slow speed. I wonder why anyone isn't doing anything for that considering github is the company being atom and that vscode and atom both are based on electron yet vscode is so damn faster than atom

Re: Visual Studio Code 1.0

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Post by zokier »

Interesting that they decided to release 1.0 before sorting out the coreclr/dotnet story. My understanding is that Mono is still the best way to write C# with VSCode, even on Windows.

Re: Visual Studio Code 1.0

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Post by krzyk »

thewhitetulip wrote: post #24

VSCode has done the thing that nobody expected MS to do, change the way code was written on Unix/Linux. I love linux/unix, but the problem always was with the lack of an awesome text editor cum IDE, yep there is eclipse but it is too clunky, I do not like sublime as it isn't FOSS (call me crazy), gedit took way too much memory, geany is fast and mean but the UI sucks plus functionality isn't that great. Enter VSCode,…

If you liked Eclipse, then you should take a look at IntelliJ IDEA (and its companion IDEs), they are a leap forward from Eclipse.

Re: Visual Studio Code 1.0

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Post by wodenokoto »

joeld42 wrote: post #49

Isn't this based on Atom (or at least similar design)? It really makes me sad that people are making editors with so many features and nice things, but ignoring the fundamentals like latency. https://pavelfatin.com/typing-with-pleasure/ I'm eagerly awaiting a mac version of 4coder ( http://www.4coder.net/ ).

It is a similar design like maybe how to QT editors are similar design.
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