American diet in the 70s was not what the American diet is today.
40 year old study could have reshaped American diet, was never fully published
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Re: 40 year old study could have reshaped American diet, was never fully published
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks for this. This seems very plausable. I'm now eating low carb and shuning most vetegable oils. I do use Olive Oil and eat more fish. I use just a little coconut oil. Lost ~28 lbs and have not been sick at all since going ketonic. Still have to lose more weight. I do eat red meat and chicken, turkey. Cheese is a favorite and my bias is I don't want to have to give up cheese.
ketogenic diet is a fad. just like any other diet (paleo and other shit). science today can tell you only that you have to eat a variety of foods, not too much or too little, mostly plants. personalized nutrition will be the solution tailored and true, but that takes a lot of resources and currently uninvented tech.
low carb has been around for decades. it's not a fad, by definition. it's also not a fad just because you're annoyed by it.
things that are also not fads but probably also annoy you: yoga, jogging, veganism.
Re: 40 year old study could have reshaped American diet, was never fully published
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Vegetarian diet isn't really connected to low-fat. Meat generally decreases your food's average fat content, since most meat is lean. Vegetarians make up lack of lean meat with more fatty dairy and cholesterol raising eggs.
Except a ton of vegetarians don't consume dairy or eggs because they're made from animals.
those are vegans.
Re: 40 year old study could have reshaped American diet, was never fully published
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
ketogenic diet is a fad. just like any other diet (paleo and other shit). science today can tell you only that you have to eat a variety of foods, not too much or too little, mostly plants. personalized nutrition will be the solution tailored and true, but that takes a lot of resources and currently uninvented tech.
low carb has been around for decades. it's not a fad, by definition. it's also not a fad just because you're annoyed by it. things that are also not fads but probably also annoy you: yoga, jogging, veganism.
sorry, it is a fad when you put it under a name of keto, or paleo, and try to scientifically prettify it.
funny you should state the following, I practice all three. veganism isn't a diet, it never was. if it killed people to be a vegan it wouldn't fit into the same category as paleo or keto. incomparable.
these kinds of diets promote an unhealthy relationship with food (orthorexia). this is not some mumbo-jumbo divine philosphy, it is orthorexic to avoid any food if you have no health reason to do it.
one can lose weight eating any kind of foods.
avoiding modernity, embracing nature, it's all illogical and unscientific. there's nothing wrong with a hamburger, or a chocolate shake, or apples.
sugar never kills anyone, sugar never makes anyone obese.
it's excessive carbs, fat and sugar that make anyone fat. try eating more calories than you need on paleo, or keto, you'll get fat. now try to eat less calories, be it fast-food be it anything else, you'll lose weight. that's it.
anything more scientific you're stepping into the realm of pseudoscience.
what happens most of the time is that people who had unhealthy relationship with food find a new unhealthy relationship, but a much healthier diet and then think it's the all-cure pure-science, when it's just a fad.
it's unbelievable that this community believes in fad diets (keto, paleo, lchf, atkins, etc.), that it is afraid of food, afraid of sugar.
Re: 40 year old study could have reshaped American diet, was never fully published
#105I know the lead publisher. These guys are the real deal and are doing seriously sincere and in depth work.
Re: 40 year old study could have reshaped American diet, was never fully published
#106Is it this difficult to know what to eat Americans? Just don't eat processed food and don't abuse with only one type of food ffs.
Gosh, those silly, stupid Americans. What will they get themselves into next? > Just don't eat processed food So... Don't eat canned food. Don't eat frozen food. Don't eat packaged food, often labeled "natural" or "organic." [1] [1] http://www.foodinsight.org/sites/default/files/what-is-a-pro... ffs, maybe if Americans just ate like Europeans, everything would be fine. Oh wait a second... http://www.publications.parl…
>Don't eat canned food. Don't eat frozen food. Don't eat packaged food, often labeled "natural" or "organic." [1]
Learn how to cook mister, just like real grown ups do!
I'm sorry to say but if you are eating a certain way and it is hurting your body and you don't have the right mindset to change your lifestyle no matter if you are european/american you need to stop eating that. I know obesity is more of a concern in america. And I know most of the junk food origins from usa (mcdonalds for ex).
Re: 40 year old study could have reshaped American diet, was never fully published
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suspect there is a certain amount of "meat solidarity", but meat itself is not really a monolithic thing. Pork is roughly twice as efficient as beef to produce, and poultry three times as efficient. Replacing beef in your diet with other meats is already a substantial improvement without the hassle of going full-vegan.
"Pork is roughly twice as efficient as beef to produce" Citation needed. Beef can live on range-lands that aren't good for much else and requires very low inputs. If we didn't have a taste for grain fed finished animals it would almost certainly be many times as efficient as pork.
That is an excellent point: while pork is more efficient on a per-calorie basis and a per-acre usage (because you can pack pigs into a factory and feed them corn & soy beans, two of the most space-efficient crops), you can't discount that land is not fungible.
There definitely is land that is only useful (agriculturally) for grazing. There will be a subset of this land for which the tradeoffs favor grazing (there may be some land we could technically graze but as a society prefer not to, eg, to conserve water resources or leave an area "wild"), and there's no reason to not produce beef just because it's inefficient in other contexts.
Pork also has a niche like that -- you can feed pigs food waste. Some food waste can simply be eliminated and you always have the option to just compost food waste, but there is a non-negligible amount of necessary food waste (slightly spoiled produce, table scraps, etc). If you could efficiently funnel all of this food waste into pork production, you could reclaim those calories.
Re: 40 year old study could have reshaped American diet, was never fully published
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except a ton of vegetarians don't consume dairy or eggs because they're made from animals.
those are vegans.
No, they're vegetarians, as well. Forgive the site, I'm not trying to say anything, but it was the first easy-to-digest reference I found: http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/the-different-kinds-of...
Re: 40 year old study could have reshaped American diet, was never fully published
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except a ton of vegetarians don't consume dairy or eggs because they're made from animals.
those are vegans.
There are also non-vegan vegetarians who eat a lot of vegan food, or are health or environmental conscious so they minimize egg/dairy while not cutting it out completely.
Re: 40 year old study could have reshaped American diet, was never fully published
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gosh, those silly, stupid Americans. What will they get themselves into next? > Just don't eat processed food So... Don't eat canned food. Don't eat frozen food. Don't eat packaged food, often labeled "natural" or "organic." [1] [1] http://www.foodinsight.org/sites/default/files/what-is-a-pro... ffs, maybe if Americans just ate like Europeans, everything would be fine. Oh wait a second... http://www.publications.parl…
>Don't eat canned food. Don't eat frozen food. Don't eat packaged food, often labeled "natural" or "organic." [1] Learn how to cook mister, just like real grown ups do! I'm sorry to say but if you are eating a certain way and it is hurting your body and you don't have the right mindset to change your lifestyle no matter if you are european/american you need to stop eating that. I know obesity is more of a concern in…
Troll?
>Learn how to cook mister, just like real grown ups do!
Patronizing. Do you know real grown ups can cook bad foods at home too? Not everything cooked from scratch is healthy!
>I'm sorry to say but if you are eating a certain way and it is hurting your body and you don't have the right mindset to change your lifestyle no matter if you are european/american you need to stop eating that.
JUST BE HEALTHY, FAT PEOPLE! You don't need any education about macro/micro-nutrients, food portions, exercise routines, and/or preparation.
>I know obesity is more of a concern in america.
Compared to what? There are 10+ countries with obesity rates higher than America.
>And I know most of the junk food origins from usa (mcdonalds for ex).
You have to be kidding me.