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Re: CaptionBot by Microsoft

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CaptionBot team here. Thanks for the images and captions! Please keep sharing them and give us feedback.

It would be great if you added a text box under the stars so I can (optionally) tell you why I didn't give you five stars. For example, I uploaded a picture of my daughter as an infant, and it said, "This is a baby on a bed and he's :D" which I gave four stars to because it said he instead of she. But honestly you really have no way of knowing that. :)

Thank you jedberg! That's a great idea. We love it and will look into adding it soon.

Re: CaptionBot by Microsoft

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I'm aware people may want to _use_ it as a racist tool --but I fail to understand that transformation. We're all apes[1] the offender and the target/victim. So more than anything, it shows ignorance by the victimizer/bigot. I suppose it's like calling someone a Neanderthal, but with racial implications. Interestingly, we're learning Neanderthals were not as cognitively lacking as perhaps some supposed. It's like sayi…

I don't think there is as much to understand as you make it out to be. People feel insulted when called apes, because it is frequently used as an insult. It may well be taxonomically correct to say that humans as well as apes are primates and members of the Hominidae family, but that doesn't make it any less insulting. Just because something is technically correct doesn't mean it isn't dehumanizing and suitable as an…

Point taken.

Still, this is a machine that's doing the labelling, and one would have to think someone purposely programmed it to do that, rather than the engineers lacking foresight to see a possible misrecognition.

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I worked in Image Processing and Vision for a long time. If you'd asked me 2 years ago that something like this could be possible, I would have laughed you out of the room. But in the last year or so, I've been stunned beyond belief at how well these networks work.

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Yes, it is.

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Reading the blog post and the Twitter thread. Wow. 10 years ago it would have been seen as a comical blunder of a stupid AI. Something to be fixed for sure, but not a Serious Social Issue by any means. Nowadays, it apparently warrants several follow-up articles in the mainstream media, "social" commentary and 3,309 retweets. From the blog post: “The bias of the Internet reflects the bias of society,” she said. In som…

Yes, I think people overreacted a bit. But part of the backlash was because if these algorithms were better trained on a diverse set of faces, they might not have made that mistake. I think that's a fair criticism.

> if these algorithms were better trained on a diverse set of faces, they might not have made that mistake.

Is this assumption based on something specific? I.e. are there good reasons to believe that they weren't trained on a diverse set of people and that such training would prevent this error from happening?

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The issue here is that race relations in the U.S. are so convoluted and have so much history that it's literally impossible to tell what would be considered "racist" without a broad understanding of the culture and a comprehensive list of past racial slurs and grievances. Witness the KFC ad ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaIhf41ctkM ) which was broadly labeled as "racist", despite the fact that the 'black people l…

> The issue here is that race relations in the U.S. are so convoluted and have so much history that it's literally impossible to tell what would be considered "racist" without a broad understanding of the culture and a comprehensive list of past racial slurs and grievances. I understand, but isn't the logical conclusion that one cannot make a piece of technology (like an image caption bot) that is unaware of, for ins…

The logical (to me) conclusion is that people need to unbunch their panties and stop looking for things to be offended about.

I don't think it's reasonable for anyone to expect an AI system, at our current level of technology, to have a complete understanding of every nuance of human pique to the degree where it will never do anything which could be interpreted as offensive by anyone.

Hell, that's a far higher bar than we humans can hope to meet in today's 'outrage culture'.

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I worked in Image Processing and Vision for a long time. If you'd asked me 2 years ago that something like this could be possible, I would have laughed you out of the room. But in the last year or so, I've been stunned beyond belief at how well these networks work.

I remember seeing this about two years ago that seemed to do a pretty good job:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8129499

(Site's gone now but it was a demo on top of Clarifai)

Honest question, is this much better than Clarifai?

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