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Things They Don't Teach You in School

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Re: Things They Don't Teach You in School

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Post by fit2rule »

746F7475 wrote: post #22

> Who here is a feminist? (Two, three hands go up, timidly.) > Wait, let me ask another way around: who here thinks that all people, regardless of gender, have the same rights and should be treated equally? (All hands go up.) > Congratulations, you are all feminists. It's too bad that current feminism/SJW movement has so corrupted the feminism "brand" that I do not feel comfortable identifying as one and probably who…

I concur. I'm an equalist, not a feminist. I don't believe in either sex having more rights than the other, over any issue whatsoever, and think we should treat everyone - regardless of race, language-spoken, gender, culture, whatever - equally, no matter what.

I never use the word feminist because it just doesn't mean that any more. What it means, is something else entirely than what I've just described.

Re: Things They Don't Teach You in School

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Post by fit2rule »

rubbsdecvik wrote: post #26
746F7475 wrote: post #22

> Who here is a feminist? (Two, three hands go up, timidly.) > Wait, let me ask another way around: who here thinks that all people, regardless of gender, have the same rights and should be treated equally? (All hands go up.) > Congratulations, you are all feminists. It's too bad that current feminism/SJW movement has so corrupted the feminism "brand" that I do not feel comfortable identifying as one and probably who…

> It's too bad that current feminism/SJW movement has so corrupted the feminism "brand" I've started to think of the SJ movement as analogous to the GNU/GPL movement. From a high level, it's easy to see it as extreme and difficult to identify with, but if you give it some time and thought, you start to see the merits of the argument. Note, one does not always have to agree to think there are merits. Once I saw SJ adv…

I think that all movements have to deal with the agent-provocateur problem, sooner or later - which is to say, any time you make an enemy, if you don't allow your enemy to become you properly, then you will become your enemy.

This is what happened with feminist movements: they became the very frothy-mouthed totalitarians they were resisting. Because they didn't do enough to deal with the totalitarians that were attracted to their platform of power, gained in the rising days of the feminist movement, and must now share that platform with a vast array of differing views, somehow aligned with feminism, but nevertheless diluting the goals of very subject and thwarting it in a direction not originally intended.

All movements have to deal with this factor, it seems. Its a social one.

Re: Things They Don't Teach You in School

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Post by 746F7475 »

rubbsdecvik wrote: post #26
746F7475 wrote: post #22

> Who here is a feminist? (Two, three hands go up, timidly.) > Wait, let me ask another way around: who here thinks that all people, regardless of gender, have the same rights and should be treated equally? (All hands go up.) > Congratulations, you are all feminists. It's too bad that current feminism/SJW movement has so corrupted the feminism "brand" that I do not feel comfortable identifying as one and probably who…

> It's too bad that current feminism/SJW movement has so corrupted the feminism "brand" I've started to think of the SJ movement as analogous to the GNU/GPL movement. From a high level, it's easy to see it as extreme and difficult to identify with, but if you give it some time and thought, you start to see the merits of the argument. Note, one does not always have to agree to think there are merits. Once I saw SJ adv…

> I have not seen evidence that this has changed.

Just the things like: "men can't be opressed" and all the "check your privilege" shit just brings my piss to boil. And more I see all these SJWs acting like spoiled kids with their "safe zones" and "trigger warnings" more I feel like maybe things were better back in 40s and 50s.

Maybe it's a cultural thing, I really don't care, but when I'm told that I'm the very essence of evil-sexists-racist-pig because I'm male, white and straight (or cis, whatever that means) I can't but help feel like I'm being bullied for nothing I've done nor my Finnish ancestors.

Re: Things They Don't Teach You in School

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Post by Radim »

unabst wrote: post #8

So I guess this was a comedy piece? Some more serious issues I've noticed: #1. They don't teach you that teachers are paid to put up with you. Employers aren't paid to put up with you. They're paid to fire people who waste their time and interfere with the work that needs to get done. #2. They don't teach you how to not waste people's time. Some of the group activities that force mingling are the worst. Most real wor…

I see there's some controversy here about your points (or perhaps just your way of presenting them?). I'd like to weigh to say your advice is solid.

Employees are absolutely valued by their boss based on how much hand-holding they require and how autonomous they are. In fact, in functional companies, that's what decides your factual seniority: Not the years your butt sat physically in some chair, but how little you need to get going and have results.

It's not controversial at all.

From students who need the instructions in almost algorithmic form and understand no context, to business owners who create their own opportunities and generate time for others, there's a whole spectrum.

Re: Things They Don't Teach You in School

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Post by unabst »

RobertKerans wrote: post #24
unabst wrote: post #21

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Right. You continue to exemplify my point. Talkers truly underestimate the bandwidth it takes to engage someone properly, and if you're not engaging someone properly, your presence is just insulting. If you're in an open office without walls or cubicles, and people kept talking to you, you wouldn't get anything done. Their excuse? That they're living, sociable, human beings. Well, tell that to your boss. Think of a b…

Right, sure, knowing when to shut the fuck up is very important. But learning to be good at communication, and learning social skills is brutally important in life. Learning when to speak and when not to speak and how to speak to other people is so important: how are people supposed to learn this if you teach them to just shut up and take orders? If you learn good social skills, you do better in life, and you don't l…

For the most part, they don't teach either. They don't teach good communication skills, nor do they teach you to shut up. Typically, students will talk, and get scolded when the teacher doesn't want them to talk. That's not a lesson. It's a power grab.

They don't teach how to ask questions either. They need to.

I know these things because I have had to teach them to every person that I hired. The modern system was suppose to create a smart and dependable work force by teaching students how to study, which is basically how to follow instructions and absorb anything handed to them. Except, that is only a small fraction of most work, and even the studying part they stop doing because it was never fun or important to them, or they never got good at it to begin with. Because, ironically, most schools don't teach you how to study. They just make you study.

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