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Bloom Unveils Its Game Changing Energy Box

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Re: Bloom Unveils Its Game Changing Energy Box

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I believe the idea here is not that a single 1KW stack would be used to power a home, but that several homes would run off of a single 25KW module, so that you only need to accomodate their collective peak requirements

A well-sized electric furnace will use more than 25kW in one home alone: http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/howmuch.html

Presumably if you can get the natural gas to the box, you can get it into home furnaces as well.

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Could somebody help with some background on the science? What strikes me as odd is that you put fuel in the fuel cell. One of the examples they give is using these to charge your hyrbid car. So, by the transitive property, aren't you putting fuel into your car? I guess I'm trained to think of alternative energy sources like sun and wind, so I'm thrown off here. What's the innovation? I can see that you're generating…

I think they just announced a highly-efficient natural gas electric generator. The question is just how efficient, if it's as efficient as the large centralized power plants we now build then we don't have to waste money on building and maintaining power transmission lines. If I remember my thermodynamics correctly, the efficiency of a heat engine is constrained by the internal temperature of the engine. The higher t…

Fuel cells are not heat engines.

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The most interesting claim is that it's a reversible reaction. This explains the "it runs on solar" comment in that it can be used in place of batteries or a flywheel to store energy by turning the excess load back into fuel during peak generation from solar/wind and then expend it later.

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They say that 1 KW will power the average US home, hu? Yeah, so long as all heating is natural gas and no one ever turns on a hair dryer. Maybe they were talking about averaged load? But then they seem to have left out the 4 tonnes of lead-acid batteries you'll need.

Agreed. But --- who heats with electricity? (Heat pumps can be a good idea, though.)

Depends where you are. In Quebec, about 90% of the electricity comes from hydro, and it's pretty cheap. A lot of people (more than half, I think) heat their houses with electricity.

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You put in a hydrogen source... in this case, likely natural gas. It combines with oxygen from the air in a process that yields electricity, water, and a small amount of CO2. The key benefit is that the fuel isn't burned. It's converted chemically, so it is a very efficient process. They have a good flash video explaining it here: http://bloomenergy.com/products/solid-oxide-fuel-cell-animat...

> It combines with oxygen from the air [...] > the fuel isn't burned. It's converted chemically My last chemistry class was a long time ago, so this might be a dumb question. What's the difference between combining with oxygen and burning?

In a chemical sense, no difference, but fire is complicated. Check out Wikipedia articles on Redox, Radicals, Combustion, etc.

Fuel cells are cool because they grab electricity straight from the freed electrons as the fuel is oxidized. More efficient than using the heat to make steam to power a turbine to spin electromagnets, your typical power plant.

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I think they just announced a highly-efficient natural gas electric generator. The question is just how efficient, if it's as efficient as the large centralized power plants we now build then we don't have to waste money on building and maintaining power transmission lines. If I remember my thermodynamics correctly, the efficiency of a heat engine is constrained by the internal temperature of the engine. The higher t…

Fuel cells are not heat engines.

That would be exactly why this new technology might be more efficient than centralized power plants.

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Could somebody help with some background on the science? What strikes me as odd is that you put fuel in the fuel cell. One of the examples they give is using these to charge your hyrbid car. So, by the transitive property, aren't you putting fuel into your car? I guess I'm trained to think of alternative energy sources like sun and wind, so I'm thrown off here. What's the innovation? I can see that you're generating…

I think they just announced a highly-efficient natural gas electric generator. The question is just how efficient, if it's as efficient as the large centralized power plants we now build then we don't have to waste money on building and maintaining power transmission lines. If I remember my thermodynamics correctly, the efficiency of a heat engine is constrained by the internal temperature of the engine. The higher t…

They claim that it's twice as efficient as grid. But this might take into account losses during energy transfer from power plant to receiver.

Re: Bloom Unveils Its Game Changing Energy Box

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You put in a hydrogen source... in this case, likely natural gas. It combines with oxygen from the air in a process that yields electricity, water, and a small amount of CO2. The key benefit is that the fuel isn't burned. It's converted chemically, so it is a very efficient process. They have a good flash video explaining it here: http://bloomenergy.com/products/solid-oxide-fuel-cell-animat...

Burning, oxidization of hydrocarbons, is very much a chemical process. It generates heat, if they have somehow found a way of making it generate electricity directly, that would be really interesting.

Isn't that exactly what a fuel cell is about?

Re: Bloom Unveils Its Game Changing Energy Box

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Could somebody help with some background on the science? What strikes me as odd is that you put fuel in the fuel cell. One of the examples they give is using these to charge your hyrbid car. So, by the transitive property, aren't you putting fuel into your car? I guess I'm trained to think of alternative energy sources like sun and wind, so I'm thrown off here. What's the innovation? I can see that you're generating…

I think they just announced a highly-efficient natural gas electric generator. The question is just how efficient, if it's as efficient as the large centralized power plants we now build then we don't have to waste money on building and maintaining power transmission lines. If I remember my thermodynamics correctly, the efficiency of a heat engine is constrained by the internal temperature of the engine. The higher t…

From their data sheet it's about 50% efficient, on par with modern large scale natural gas powerplants.

If you also use the heat it generates to heat your home the Bloombox can be up to 85% efficient.

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